From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 1, 1998 7:52 am Subject: Re: Macula Transfer/Ages Questions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 >Really-From: Vincent Goudreault > >It is true to the orginal. No alteration to the notes, same artwork >(though at a reduced size, evidently). > I didn't think it was the same artwork. The liner notes say that Frank Makowski was responsible. I have a swirly blue thing on my cover. ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15180 Re: Macula Transfer/Ages Questions Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 7/1/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 1, 1998 8:00 am Subject: Re: TD Guest book entry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jens Kilian > Really-From: RBrown4856@a... > The only problem is Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise > over and over and over.At least TD is music.I've tried to listen to > KS because some say he is better than TD.After about 10 minutes I > want to blow my brains out.Maybe the trick is to be drugged while > listening.IMO! How can you tell if it is unreleased or not,it all > sounds the same. Tip: Don't try TD's 'Zeit' or 'Rubycon', you'll hate them. Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-14-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-14-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 1, 1998 8:53 am Subject: Re: Macula Transfer/Ages Questions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' ----Original Message Follows---- Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 >>Really-From: Vincent Goudreault >> >>It is true to the orginal. No alteration to the notes, same artwork >>(though at a reduced size, evidently). >I didn't think it was the same artwork. The liner notes say that >Frank Makowski >was responsible. I have a swirly blue thing on my cover. 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(tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 1, 1998 7:28 pm Subject: Re: JMJ vs TD live ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dan.cor@v... Really-From: 'ashok prema' You wrote: >>>Sorry, but I don't agree. I was at the Wembley concert last June. When >JMJ played Oxygene 13 as his last number he played every note live, even >the odd wrong one! OK there was some backing, which may or may not have >been pre-recorded, but he played his bit live, as he had done through >the whole concert. >The reason that there are 4-5 other musicians with him is that all the >music you hear is live. He could not possibly play everything, the music >is too complicated. This is the excuse TD give for producing a >MIDI-concert. Maybe they should go on stage with 15 >> >mmmmmmm - I wonder how much JMJ really plays live........I remember a >journalist telling me that at the London Docklands concert many years >ago >there were 4 x 24 track tape recorders away from the >stage............recording? or playback?? who know? > > >Ash A good point, it would not be the first time that an artist mimed to a tape! However, I would say that JMJ and his pals all 'looked' like they were really playing. And as I said, at Wembley the odd wrong note appeared in the lead-line. One of the big problems I had when I was more naive was that none of the members of TD actually looked like they were playing onstage. At the SB gig of 1996, Linda sat listlessly at the keyboard, just touching a few keys and not looking like she was really trying. Her sax playing was much more genuine and did appear to be live. One cannot doubt Emil played the drums on last years tour, but did it matter which one he struck to get the note? For that matter, I have also had trouble matching the some of the sounds with the players hand movements on videos such as 3 Phase and Dream Mixes, they don't appear to sync, or is this just my elderly eyes? Cheers, Daniel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15184 Re: JMJ vs TD live Marcel Engels Wed 7/1/1998 3 KB 15196 Re: JMJ vs TD live John Christian Thu 7/2/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 1, 1998 11:59 am Subject: Re: Macula Transfer/Ages Questions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Goudreault tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > > >Really-From: Vincent Goudreault > > > >It is true to the orginal. No alteration to the notes, same artwork > >(though at a reduced size, evidently). > > > > I didn't think it was the same artwork. The liner notes say that Frank Makowski > was responsible. I have a swirly blue thing on my cover. > That's what I got on both my vinyl and my CD: a swirly blue and tan thing. Of course, the CD bears different copyright date and distributor name... C.B.V.G. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 1, 1998 12:02 pm Subject: Spammers... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Goudreault tadream mailing list wrote: > > > Really-From: yourfriend@s... > > Dear Previous Member, > > (... garbage removed ...) How is it that the 'tadream mailing list' can be a 'Previous Member'??? C.B.V.G. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 1, 1998 12:05 pm Subject: Re: JMJ vs TD live ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'jowers' I for one have noticed the mystery of the hands on the 3 Phase video. Nothing they are playing looks like what I am hearing. I'm glad someone else noticed it too. Kevin > For that matter, I have also had trouble matching the some of the sounds > with the players hand movements on videos such as 3 Phase and Dream > Mixes, they don't appear to sync, or is this just my elderly eyes? > > Cheers, > > Daniel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 1, 1998 12:09 pm Subject: Re: JMJ vs TD live ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ami.hassinen@e... (Hassinen Ami) Hello all! Interesting thread this JMJ vs. TD live. I was lucky enough to view a Jarre gig just ten metres from the stage last summer. It was a show of his 'Oxygene 7-13' tour, at the Hartwall arena, Helsinki, Finland. There was four musicians in addition to JMJ on the stage, one dealing with a large amount of percussion instruments and the rest with synths and keyboards (well, one of them played bass (midified) on some of the tracks). From what I could see and hear, JMJ really played the instruments live. And I´ve played synths and kbds for 14 years, both in the studio and on stage, so I have a sort of perspective on the technical side if I may say so ;-) There was an enormous amount of gear on the stage; old Roland 500s, EMS, Oscar, Mellotron, Theremin and many more... It was like a museum! He began the set with the 'Oxygene pt 7' playing the laser harp. He made a slight error here and there and the resulting sound convinced me that he really triggered those sounds with the laser beams. During the first three numbers JMJ did some of those 'crowd-pleasing stage poses' that we all know from the Docklands-videos etc, but that was clearly for the benefit of the press photographers and the rest of the set went in more 'businesslike' spirit. Some of the tracks he played solo and some of those were a bit 'ragged' so they clearly were played live to the note, with some help of rhythm units and seqs. He also had slight problems with tuning of the mellotron but got it under controll. Theremin was more of a gimmick, but very cool to see and hear it live in concert... I didn´t think too highly of JMJ´s live output of the late 80s/early 90s and I feel that many of his enormous concert happenings look somewhat unintentionally funny on video. But this latest tour and album really restored my belief in JMJ as a musician...and he is also a very pro as a performer, making an easy and natural contact with an enormous audience... As far as TD´s live work goes, it is a whole lot different scene in many ways. But they clearly dropped the realtime playing of their instruments on stage as the 80s wore on. I´ve never been to a TD concert (they have never played a single gig in Scandinavia!!!), but I´ve heard a load of concert tapes in addition to the official live albums. The only realtime music seems to be the occassional piano parts and guitar solos. This is quite justifiable and quite OK, but nowadays I have more respect for people like JMJ who take the risks and really play live!!! Just like the TD did in the earlier days... I love TD, but if I had to choose between going to a TD concert and going to a let´s say JMJ, Schulze or Ashra concert, I´m afraid TD wouldn´t get my money that night...sorry I really hope that Edgar could be as comfortable with his past as those three other artists I mentioned above are with theirs... cheerio, Ami From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 1, 1998 1:23 pm Subject: Re: Macula Transfer/Ages Questions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 08:52 AM 7/1/1998 +0100, (the Scottish) Craig wrote: >I didn't think it was the same artwork. The liner notes say that Frank Makowski Ask Frank. He will straighten it out for us. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 1, 1998 2:25 pm Subject: Re: D:live week 4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ami.hassinen@e... (Hassinen Ami) ´ere we go ´ere we go ´ere we go.... Week 4: 1975 Australian Tour, all tapes & 4.2.75 London 3.13.75 Melbourne (Dallas Brooks Hall) 84 min. (Au) 3.25.75 Adelaide (Festival Hall) 87 min. (Au) Well, I have heard only the Melbourne tape, so here´s my impressions of it for those interested: The gig starts with a nice collection on jungle athmospheres. Very appropriate for an Australian tour! I remeber having read somewhere that they drove around 'down under' with rented cars for a few days before the first date of the tour...there´s also some pics of the era in the 70 - 80 box set booklet that show the guys in jungle surroundings. Obviously an inspiring experience! I was very curious to hear how the famous damage to Franke´s big Moog would have affected their music on this tour. When I listened to this tape for the first time, I was surprised that in spite of the stories, everything seems to go very smoothly... There´s even good sequences going on in the end of the first set. Probably they did these with their usual Moog sequencers controlling Mini-Moogs? The sequences sound a little thinner here than one normally hears on tapes of this era... The second set is more ambient, with little or no rhythms at all. But I like it this time, there seems to be a method behind all the 'droning'. Their vision has clearly matured since the Ponts-de-Ce-days ;-) 4.2.75 London (Royal Albert Hall) This is good stuff! One of my all-time favourite TD concert recordings. All the ideas and motifs of the previous Australian concert honed to perfection. It is also exceptionally smooth show musically. Everything seems to go well and there´s no audible technical problems anywhere. Well, there was other kind of problems: Froese was asked to pay huge amounts of money 'for using an orchestra' just before they took the stage! Some musician´s union thing... ;-) Mellotron was thought of as a threat to every classical musician on earth! Luckily they didn´t have samplers with them those days...;) Hoenig´s role can be very clearly heard, IMO. There´s some cool lead synth phrasing (and some sequences as well? I think there´s two guys making some of the sequences this time) that are unlike Froese´s or Franke´s playing. You can hear that when you compare this concert with the post- and pre-Hoenig tapes and then listen to Hoenig´s 'Departure from the Northern Wastelands' of 1977. I think that he might have been a good permanent member of TD if things would have gone that way. Perhaps as good as Baumann, but maybe on a different level? On the other hand, one cannot hear too many cool effect sounds in this concert...Baumann was probably more into inventive sound engineering than Hoenig. Perhaps they should have asked Hoenig join TD as Baumann´s replacement in 1977 :)... A great concert and a good recording. I think this would be an essential show in any TD fans collection... cheers, Ami www.nettilinja.fi/~ahassine From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 1, 1998 6:40 pm Subject: RE: JMJ vs TD live ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: J.E.Owens@A... That could just be 'out of sync' sound editing, or the effect of echo in the theatre. (You know, light travels faster than sound....) James > Really-From: 'jowers' > > > I for one have noticed the mystery of the hands on the 3 Phase video. > Nothing they are playing looks like what I am hearing. I'm glad > someone > else noticed it too. > > Kevin > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 1, 1998 7:03 pm Subject: RE: Wow great news for HotShots! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: yourfriend@s... > > > Dear Previous Member, > > We have just got our hands on the stolen Pamela Anderson / Tommy > Lee video. We have still out takes from the video plus plenty of > mpegs of the video for your viewing pleasure. Wow great. We've all been waiting for that! btw: you can buy it (legally) in the stores over here so... > We have Ashley Judd, Victoria Principal, Cameron Diaz, Elle > McPherson, Jewel, Garbage, Ginger Spice, Demi Moore and even > more!! Great! Got any pics of TD concerts? :-) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 1, 1998 7:03 pm Subject: RE: JMJ vs TD live ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: dan.cor@v... > > For that matter, I have also had trouble matching the some of the sounds > with the players hand movements on videos such as 3 Phase and Dream > Mixes, they don't appear to sync, or is this just my elderly eyes? Wait till you see Ricochet....no sync at all :-) But still a great watch! Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 1, 1998 10:52 pm Subject: Re: Wow great news for HotShots! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > Really-From: yourfriend@s... > > > > > > Dear Previous Member, > > > > We have just got our hands on the stolen Pamela Anderson / Tommy > > Lee video. We have still out takes from the video plus plenty of > > mpegs of the video for your viewing pleasure. > > Wow great. We've all been waiting for that! > btw: you can buy it (legally) in the stores over here so... > > > We have Ashley Judd, Victoria Principal, Cameron Diaz, Elle > > McPherson, Jewel, Garbage, Ginger Spice, Demi Moore and even > > more!! > > Great! Got any pics of TD concerts? :-) > > Marcel > Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels > Email :fsp@w... How about Linda Spa bending over to pick up her sax? Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 1, 1998 7:14 am Subject: Remove ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'redshift' -----Original Message----- From: tadream mailing list To: tadream@c... Date: 01 July 1998 12:47 Subject: Re: JMJ vs TD live >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: dan.cor@v... > > >Really-From: 'ashok prema' > >You wrote: > >>>>Sorry, but I don't agree. I was at the Wembley concert last June. When >>JMJ played Oxygene 13 as his last number he played every note live, even >>the odd wrong one! OK there was some backing, which may or may not have >>been pre-recorded, but he played his bit live, as he had done through >>the whole concert. >>The reason that there are 4-5 other musicians with him is that all the >>music you hear is live. He could not possibly play everything, the music >>is too complicated. This is the excuse TD give for producing a >>MIDI-concert. Maybe they should go on stage with 15 >> > >>mmmmmmm - I wonder how much JMJ really plays live........I remember a >>journalist telling me that at the London Docklands concert many years >ago >>there were 4 x 24 track tape recorders away from the >>stage............recording? or playback?? who know? >> >> >>Ash > >A good point, it would not be the first time that an artist mimed to a >tape! However, I would say that JMJ and his pals all 'looked' like they >were really playing. And as I said, at Wembley the odd wrong note >appeared in the lead-line. > >One of the big problems I had when I was more naive was that none of the >members of TD actually looked like they were playing onstage. At the SB >gig of 1996, Linda sat listlessly at the keyboard, just touching a few >keys and not looking like she was really trying. Her sax playing was >much more genuine and did appear to be live. One cannot doubt Emil >played the drums on last years tour, but did it matter which one he >struck to get the note? > >For that matter, I have also had trouble matching the some of the sounds >with the players hand movements on videos such as 3 Phase and Dream >Mixes, they don't appear to sync, or is this just my elderly eyes? > >Cheers, > >Daniel > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15191 Re: Remove Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 7/2/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 1, 1998 1:58 pm Subject: RE: More Keep blather ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 07:08 PM 6/30/98 PDT, you wrote: >Often filed after the fact, according to a friend at Elektra. And if >the decision was made not to release, there shouldn't be a paper trail. Excuse me for jumping in here. If you contend you held a copy in your hand, then it _was_ released, or you held a pre-release pressing that was put out for sale. I doubt the latter, as I can't imagine this would be an item that would warrent such a move. If it was released (if only for a day) there should still be some record of it. If it was an import, maybe there exists a record not in the US, but abroad that has so-far been missed. >>But, that doesn't mean that the tapes weren't sent to the presses in >>anticipation of a release. That happens quite often. Can you give an example? With all the talk about who owns what rights regarding this project, I have trouble beleiving any company would spend the money to obtain the rights, master, press, release an ill-fated project only to recall all of the product almost immediately. Regards, Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 3:41 am Subject: Happy 4th of July everyone! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: spidey http://www.prwebdesign.com/4thjuly.htm Oscar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 29, 1998 8:07 am Subject: Re: JMJ smokes TD concert any day!!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Aured Azhallein Rancuel Whether or not he actually plays the laser-harp I can't say, as I haven't seen JMJ in concert, but I know that it is possible to play one. The last time I was at Jackson Hole one of the many stores had a laser-harp on display that you could use, it worked rather well sounding like a plucked string when the beam was broken. -Scott n.p.: Zeit >This is technically possible. Indeed, after seeing him do this at Houston >(1986?) >I performed a similar task (on a much more basic scale) for a science >project. >Whether or not he does actually do this though, I'm still not sure. From >what I see >each beam he breaks does not correspond to a particular note (if you see >what >I mean). I have two possible reasons for this. 1. He is miming, and forgets >which >beam to play for a particular note. or 2. The notes are a pre-stored >sequence, >and with each broken beam, the next note plays, meaning that he just has to >break any beam to get the next note. He just moves left and right for >theatric effect. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 29, 1998 8:11 am Subject: Any other tapes of Zeit live (i.e. Klangcollage) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Aured Azhallein Rancuel After all the discussion on Zeit I've been listening to it rather often lately and I remembered reading some article (perhaps it was the Tangents box set) that refered to Zeit being played live and some critic's vitriolic remarks about it. Anyhow, after listening to the piece 'Klangcollage' from the tape tree and enjoying the neat way the various themes of 'Nebulous Dawn' and 'Origin of Supernatural Probabilites' were combined I was curious if any other tapes of live renditions exist?? -Scott n.p. Zeit Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15201 Re: Any other tapes of Zeit live (i.e. Klangcolla Vic Rek Thu 7/2/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 2:54 am Subject: Re: Remove ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: 'redshift' > > Subject: Re: JMJ vs TD live Recognizing the above email addy, it looks like Mark Shreeve's been here. Judging by the subject header, I take it you're trying to exit tadream, Mark? E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 3:56 am Subject: Ages ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ken Beal Howdy Troops... Anybody know of a United States source for Edgar's 'Ages' CD? Thanks in advance... Ken Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15194 Re: Ages RBrown4856@a... Thu 7/2/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... 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(tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 7:08 am Subject: Re: JMJ vs TD live ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: John Christian Ash? said: >>mmmmmmm - I wonder how much JMJ really plays live........I remember a >>journalist telling me that at the London Docklands concert many years >ago >>there were 4 x 24 track tape recorders away from the >>stage............recording? or playback?? who know? I've seen a few of the JMJ spectaculars live and more on TV. To me they all look 100% mimed except maybe La Defense where at least the mime quality improved dramatically. Probably undestandable given the aim is to get 100,000 souls out in the rain to watch some fireworks and videos. And some french guy with shades and a famous wife. I also saw the Oxygene tour, and I'm pretty sure that was 99% live, and everyone who's been to one of those shows seems to agree. The missing 1% - the laser harp of course. I was watching pretty closely and what he played was note perfect for most of the piece, but then near the end he threw in a couple of timing errors. I suspect he's just playing with us. There was a real laser harp in the 80s, and I think Jarre did own one. But it involved breaking beams between the laser and a bank of sensors. The current 'harp' fires straight into the air. The only way you could make one is to detect the flash off his shiny gloves. Which scatter the light all over the place. On a stage full of bright lights. But it is still sensitive enough to detect his hand moving up and down within a single beam. I don't think so. Other great harp moments: Blue Chip Orchestra, supporting KS and Ashra at the Koln Dome event. Totally mimed 'performance' of some very cheesy music, 'playing' some special 'exotic instruments' including a large wooden frame which played perfect harp glissandi when you wave both hands randomly about inside it. John Dyson's 'Lazy Harp'. A roadie walks on and gives Dyson shades and white gloves. He strikes the pose. The candelabra comes on. Dyson plays solo which is sounds oddly just after his fingers cover the flames. Backing muso smirks. You had to be there, maybe... Back to your regularly scheduled bitching about the Dice Rip Off Fiasco. JC -- John Christian for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 software, etc. for AirSculpture From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 10:58 am Subject: Re: JMJ vs TD Live ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dennis Nigbur Really-From: Aured Azhallein Rancuel Whether or not he actually plays the laser-harp I can't say, as I haven't seen JMJ in concert, but I know that it is possible to play one. The last time I was at Jackson Hole one of the many stores had a laser-harp on display that you could use, it worked rather well sounding like a plucked string when the beam was broken. - -Scott n.p.: Zeit >This is technically possible. Indeed, after seeing him do this at Houston >(1986?) >I performed a similar task (on a much more basic scale) for a science >project. >Whether or not he does actually do this though, I'm still not sure. From >what I see >each beam he breaks does not correspond to a particular note (if you see >what >I mean). I have two possible reasons for this. 1. He is miming, and forgets >which >beam to play for a particular note. or 2. The notes are a pre-stored >sequence, >and with each broken beam, the next note plays, meaning that he just has to >break any beam to get the next note. He just moves left and right for >theatric effect. - - From all the concert tapes and the live show I've seen, I'd have to disagree here. Every beam actually seems to correspond to a specific note that is played when the beam is broken, and upwards and downwards progressions correspond to Jarre's changes of direction when playing the laser harp. I wonder if the source of confusion could be the sound programming itself. With a limited number of beams available, it might be that the intervals between one beam and the next are not actually single-note intervals, but that notes which aren't needed during the performance are skipped. This might explain why the progressions played tend to look unnatural. I freely admit that I haven't got any technical knowledge to corroborate this point. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15198 Re: JMJ vs TD Live Dennis Nigbur Thu 7/2/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 11:12 am Subject: Re: JMJ vs TD Live ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dennis Nigbur >And as for JMJ's concerts...well...he's a great entertainer, I'll grant >you. And I like his music for the most part, too. But he plays as many >real notes during one of his shows as Chris Franke did during his >celebrated London Concert in '91 (i.e: not very many.) That's why you see five or six >other musicians on stage with him. They're the ones who are actually >playing. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, as long as you enjoy the >performance... >Except when TD does it, of course. Right? ;) >goozer - - It depends very strongly on which of his concerts you are talking about. I've seen all his live videos and been to one show myself. It seems as if during the Lyon concert in 1986 (as far as you can tell from the video footage), he hardly played any live notes at all - but then, he didn't even pretend to! In other concerts, especially some of the more recent ones (Chronologie and Oxygene 7-13 tours), his playing is very live... Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 11:18 am Subject: Re: No TD but...footy! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dennis Nigbur Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: Francisco Salgado > [Kent] >> Did anybody happen to watch Denmark play against Nigeria >> in the World Cup tonight? > >I did. > >Thanks Denmark for avenging us, spaniards. Well, it's a pity that the spanish team (with an awful lot of most = excellent players) did not make it into the 2nd round. That's life, Francisco. Looking forward to Holland vs. Yugoslavia. Certainly Oranje, the most enjoyable European team so far, will win. Jens After most of the more entertaining teams (Spain, Colombia, England) are out, Holland and Argentina have been disappointing in their last matches, Germany have been disappointing in all their matches, and Brazil's superiority is getting boring, who is there left to support?? Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15207 Re: No TD but...footy! TWeibre361@a... Thu 7/2/1998 3 KB 15209 Re: footy and some TD-related too Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Thu 7/2/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 12:18 pm Subject: Re: Wow great news for HotShots! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Erik Sanborn >> > Really-From: yourfriend@s... >> > >> > >> > Dear Previous Member, >> > >> > We have just got our hands on the stolen Pamela Anderson / Tommy >> > Lee video. We have still out takes from the video plus plenty of >> > mpegs of the video for your viewing pleasure. >> >> Wow great. We've all been waiting for that! >> btw: you can buy it (legally) in the stores over here so... >> >> > We have Ashley Judd, Victoria Principal, Cameron Diaz, Elle >> > McPherson, Jewel, Garbage, Ginger Spice, Demi Moore and even >> > more!! >> >> Great! Got any pics of TD concerts? :-) >> >> Marcel > >How about Linda Spa bending over to pick up her sax? > >Dano If they have have any pix of 'electronic orgies', I'm there dude! ;-) -Erik Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15202 Re: Wow great news for HotShots! Sean Montgomery Thu 7/2/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 12:22 pm Subject: Re: Any other tapes of Zeit live (i.e. Klangcollage) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek > Really-From: Aured Azhallein Rancuel > [...] Anyhow, after listening > to the piece 'Klangcollage' from the tape tree and enjoying > the neat way the various themes of 'Nebulous Dawn' and 'Origin of > Supernatural Probabilites' were combined I was curious if any other > tapes of live renditions exist?? > You can find the following CDRs with similar music: Virtual Files 72-01: ST 72.04.25 Gerandeaus bis zum Morgen (TV), Berlin “Klangcollege', Unknown location 72/73 Virtual Files 72-02 (remastered): 72.11.25 Cologne (WDR-FM) 'Nachtmusik in WDR' Virtual Files 73-01: 73.05.25 Ponts de Ce, France Open Air Festival (2 CD-Rs) Besides this, not much more exists on fan tape that I know of. Hope this helps. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 2:58 pm Subject: Re: Wow great news for HotShots! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > If they have have any pix of 'electronic orgies', I'm there dude! ;-) I don't know...you might end up with pictures of Yanni, Kitaro and John Tesh in loving embrace.... SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 3:07 pm Subject: Re: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > >One person from Hong Kong, but I don't think of Hong King as being behind >the Iron (Bamboo) Curtain (right, Jeffrey?). [...] > >Na razie, > >Andrew (originally from Hungary) Not really iron or bamboo curtain, but 'cement' curtain because of the many sky scrappers...:-) BTW President Clinton has just arrived in Hong Kong, which is the last stop of his visit to China. Jeffrey (Au Yeung) Hong Kong, China Aged 30. First listened to TD in 1982. Hardcore fan since 1984. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15205 Re: Cities Sean Montgomery Thu 7/2/1998 3 KB 15206 Re: Cities Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 7/2/1998 3 KB 15217 Re: Cities Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 7/3/1998 2 KB 15250 Re: Cities Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 7/4/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 3:14 pm Subject: Re: Wow great news for HotShots! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > If they have have any pix of 'electronic orgies', I'm there dude! ;-) > > I don't know...you might end up with pictures of Yanni, Kitaro and John > Tesh in loving embrace.... Hehe...hypothetically, for some people that might not be so bad: Kitaro will look like Yoko and be the meat in-between Yanni & John's love sandwich. rotfl E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 3:30 pm Subject: Re: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >One person from Hong Kong, but I don't think of Hong King as being behind > >the Iron (Bamboo) Curtain (right, Jeffrey?). [...] > > Not really iron or bamboo curtain, but 'cement' curtain because of the many > sky scrappers...:-) Unless it's a skyscraper that's under construction, in which case it might be surrounded by a 'curtain' of bamboo scaffolding! SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 3:28 pm Subject: Re: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' > > >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > >One person from Hong Kong, but I don't think of Hong King as being behind > >the Iron (Bamboo) Curtain (right, Jeffrey?). [...] > > > >Na razie, > > > >Andrew (originally from Hungary) > > Not really iron or bamboo curtain, but 'cement' curtain because of the many > sky scrappers...:-) > > BTW President Clinton has just arrived in Hong Kong, which is the last stop > of his visit to China. Try to get as close to Clintman as possible. Let me know if Chelsea's 'blossoming' into that beautiful young woman everyone says she is... > Aged 30. First listened to TD in 1982. Hardcore fan since 1984. E-Man Aged 27. First listened to TD in 1985. Hardcore fan of TD 1985-1994. First listened to Goblin in 1987. First listened to Mark Shreeve in 1988. Hardcore fan of Mark Shreeve & Goblin ever since! Recently inducted (1998) into the Academy of Vince Di Cola Enthusiasts (AVdCE). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15217 Re: Cities Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 7/3/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 3:43 pm Subject: Re: No TD but...footy! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-07-02 07:19:40 EDT, you write: << After most of the more entertaining teams (Spain, Colombia, England) are out, Holland and Argentina have been disappointing in their last matches, Germany have been disappointing in all their matches, and Brazil's superiority is getting boring, who is there left to support?? >> you call argentina's effort against england 'disappointing'? sheesh, what match were you watching? ...and brazil's superiority as compared to whom? morocco? and dont support anyone...support good soccer... tom w np: vapourspace - sweep From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 5:25 pm Subject: Father,Sons and Cousins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve Jenkins As I was driving into work today, listening to one of the excellent EO set, I got thinking - usually dangerous for me.. I was wondering how many tracks have an obvious father-son relationship, i.e. which tracks have obviously taken major sections or influences from others. I've heard several tracks that have a percussive background lifted directly from Thief - one of the Klem tracks for instance. Does anyone have any examples that could help build up a family tree of tracks or movements that TD have progressively worked/reworked such as Barbakane - Warsaw in the Sun. The Dream Mixes obviously qualify for as remixes etc. how many versions of das maedchen are there for instance. Just interesting, I thought, to see how much unoriginal work the band has done. I'm happy to collate the responses, so feel free to e-mail me off or on-list. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15210 Re: Father,Sons and Cousins J.E.Owens@A... Thu 7/2/1998 5 KB 15213 Re: Father,Sons and Cousins Gabe Yedid Thu 7/2/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 2:05 pm Subject: Re: footy and some TD-related too ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 >Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > >After most of the more entertaining teams (Spain, Colombia, >England) are out, Holland and Argentina have been >disappointing in their last matches, Germany have been >disappointing in all their matches, and Brazil's >superiority is getting boring, who is there left to >support?? I think the winner of the quarter final match between Italy and France may provide the overall winner. Italy hasn't been playing that well, but have been progressing without incident and without drawing too much attention. France have the double-edged sword of being host nation - additional pressure and greatest support. I tipped Italy before the start and if they beat France, I can really see them doing it. Now, for the TD related stuff - I purchased the Beyond the Horizon 'sampler' Inifinite Horizons at the recent UtD / Far From Stars show at Jodrell Bank. Does anyone else here have it? Is anyone interested in discussing it? ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8269 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 6:49 pm Subject: RE: Father,Sons and Cousins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: J.E.Owens@A... I was listening to the Babylon 5 Soundtrack (the first CD released) and track 12 (part 3 of Geometry of Shadows) sounds an AWFUL lot like one of the tracks from TD's 'Miracle Mile' soundtrack (with some foreground parts added) It's EXACTLY the same chord structure for the background, and the rythm is even the same at the beginning. I don't know the track on 'Miracle Mile'. I wonder if the backgorund melody/chord structure was something Edgar and Chris came up with together before he left the band, and they both ended up using it seperately? According to the official TD page, they do not/have not collaborated on music since he left. Has anyone else noticed this similarity? James > -----Original Message----- > From: tadream@c... > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 1998 12:26 PM > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Father,Sons and Cousins > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to > majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > Really-From: Steve Jenkins > > > > > As I was driving into work today, listening to one of the excellent EO > set, I got thinking - usually dangerous for me.. > > I was wondering how many tracks have an obvious father-son > relationship, i.e. which tracks have obviously taken major sections > or > influences from others. I've heard several tracks that have a > percussive background lifted directly from Thief - one of the Klem > tracks for instance. > > Does anyone have any examples that could help build up a family tree > of > tracks or movements that TD have progressively worked/reworked such as > Barbakane - Warsaw in the Sun. The Dream Mixes obviously qualify for > as > remixes etc. how many versions of das maedchen are there for > instance. > > Just interesting, I thought, to see how much unoriginal work the band > has done. > > I'm happy to collate the responses, so feel free to e-mail me off or > on-list. > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Steve's True Confessions re THE KEEP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:24:48 -0400 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: Re: Re 1984 KEEP LP Naysayers and Research >Really-From: Vic Rek > >I really didn't realize how obsessed you are about this. [. . .] To be honest, you're one of the people who've made me this way. I used to be merely fixated, but with the fleeting issuance of the TDI0010 'Special Edition' CD, and your heckling, I've gotten much worse. I have a confession to make, to one and all: The 1984 KEEP LP is responsible for putting my life on a different track. If it weren't for placing an ad for the 1984 KEEP LP in GOLDMINE RECORD COLLECTOR'S MAGAZINE back around 1986, I would never have been contacted by Peter Grygorcewicz (reportedly the biggest, most hardcore TD collector who ever lived), I would never have learned about VOICES IN THE DUNES prior to publication (then called MUSIC IN THE RUINS) and been able to contribute the information about the RISKY BUSINESS first LP pressing, I would never have learned about Elana Mell Beach and her fanzine ELECTRONIC DREAMS, and I would never have been fired-up enough to learn how to use a computer so that I could join this mailing list! Yes, it's true: I learned how to use a PC and a mainframe just so I could partake in this list. And guess what my very first post was-- back around 1991--about? It was a plea for a pooling or resources so I could place a larger, more expensive ad in GOLDMINE for THE KEEP. I kid you not. Because of learning enough about how to use computers, I was able to have the confidence to enroll at a graduate school of library and information science. If the KEEP hadn't come out and if I hadn't been pissed off about proving its existence for so long, we wouldn't be having this virtual discussion right now. >I will happily tell everyone 'THE KEEP LP EXISTS' after someone produces >a copy. [. . .] Gee wilikers, Vic, but that sure is a courageous stand to take! I mean, the sheer peer pressure alone . . . ;) >[. . .] I have a right to have an opinion just like you [. . .] *That* hit me where I live. I know exactly where you're coming from, there. >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: RE: tadream-digest V16 #325 (keep naysayers) >Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:30:08 -0400 >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >For the record, let me state that I believe there _was_ a Keep LP >pressed. [. . .] >But Steve, you have no concrete evidence either. [. . .] True. >[. . .] You have several people's opinions, which were probably >influenced by each other. [. . .] I doubt that. One reason is that I suspect that many of the folks who saw the 1984 KEEP LP had never encountered another person who had seen the album until they joined this mailing list. Before I saw the 1984 KEEP LP, I had been a monster and horror movie fan for about ten years, I had been collecting TD for two years (after having collected Bowie for 6 years, and Bruce Lee before that, ad nauseum), and I had won tickets to a sneak peak showing of THE KEEP the night before it opened nationally but gave the radio-station-won card with the movie logo on it to a friend and *he* saw the movie. And they gave out free T-shirts and posters that night! F**k! :( This is just to say that when I saw the 1984 KEEP LP, I knew exactly what the hell I was looking at. The monster on the back cover looked much like like what was then my favorite comic book character of all time: Darkseid from THE NEW GODS, MR. MIRACLE, and THE FOREVER PEOPLE comics. It was because of this super-cool picture of the monster that I had a real stiffy for this LP. Plus, I had seen the soundtracks to WAVELENGTH and FIRESTARTER before this, so I was familiar with the fact that TD did soundtracks for sci-fi/fantasy/horror-related movies. >Let me correct you: _believe_ they experienced something. But the >badgering can go the other way. I was on a paranormal mailing list for a >while, and once I recalled on the list a dream I had where I was >floating over my body, looking down on it from above. Just a dream, >nothing more. Several people on the list insisted I had an out-of-body >experience. If I was as gullible as they, I'd be going around now >belieiving I had an OBE (out of body experience [. . .] Gullibility has nothing to do with it. I know plenty of people who have had this experience. Just because you feel that your case was only a dream (which may be the case), doesn't mean that everyone else's recollection of such a nocturnal happenstance is the result of a dream, too. Bad analogy. >[. . .] My wife had a dream when she was pregnant with our >first kid that there were little white men around our bed, pointing at >her belly. Again, just a dream, but it just as easily could have been >perceived as real, and those little dudes could have been aliens that >impregnated her as part of an experiment. [. . .] I don't think it's likely, but I wouldn't rule it out, either. >Moral of the story: never believe everything people tell you. One half >is BS, the other is wrong. Let's see, 50% plus 50% equals 100% of what everybody says is invalid. And I thought *I* was paranoid? >But to Steve's defense: I've heard a couple of record store owners say >that it may have been released (reliable, non-biased witnesses) [. . .] What makes you a judge of what are 'reliable, non-biased witnesses'? >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: Re: Keep unlimited edition >Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:24:52 +0100 >Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' > >When the Keep LP resurfaces, for Steve's sake I hope that it has >better stuff on it. Otherwise, he's bound to hang himself. :-) I recently recalled that one of the reasons that I had trouble remembering the titles of the tracks on the 1984 KEEP LP is that some of them were in a foreign language. Three of the titles on the TDI CD are 'Puer Natus est Nobis,' 'Arx Allemand,' and 'Canzone'! This means that the album might be closer the TDI CD I thought. Fooey. >Jens-man... Zoning is one of the most underrated TD album >(along with Optical Race). It's an absolute corker! I like ZONING a lot, but am not too keen on OPTICAL RACE. >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: RE: tadream-digest V16 #325 (keep naysayers) >Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:29:41 -0400 >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >Well, I haunted record stores in the '80s looking for TD, and was told >it would be coming out soon. I never saw it. Six people say they saw it, >382 -- on this list, mind you -- say they didn't. [. . .] I'm going to tend to *this* question in a separate posting. >[. . .] Where is the album now? It's never popped up at a record show, >in a used vinyl store or at a garage sale? There are people out there who have seen it for sale at used record stores. I've met three such people. Too bad they didn't buy the copy they saw. One person said they'd seen it for $4, another for $200, and the other for $400. The thing is, not enough non-TD fans have heard of its existence, so it isn't even in Rare Records guides. Hey, I just saw a Rare Records guide that didn't even have CHERRY 3000 in it! >[. . .] I find it interesting that you're so absolutely positive of >what you saw 14 years ago. I'm an obstinate, single-minded sort of little beggar. >If you were an impartial observer, what would you decide? When I post about the proportion of list subscribers who have seen it to those who haven't, you'll know my answer to that. >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: RE: tadream-digest V16 #325 (keep naysayers) >Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:08:38 PDT >Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' > >>----Original Message Follows---- >>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >>Subject: RE: tadream-digest V16 #325 (keep naysayers) >>Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:29:41 -0400 >>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> >>I find it interesting that you're so absolutely positive of what you >>saw 14 years ago. > >Why should that be interesting? or even questionable? At the time, I had >been LOOKING for TD at every opportunity for at least 10 years. I >haven't missed your points, I'm making light of them and attempting not >to offend. I'm not a fanatic about proving I saw anything, and don't >care whether you believe me or not. [. . .] Jim, this is where you and I differ, unfortunately. >I was specifically looking for a TD album (any one really, I didn't have >a reliable discography at the time. Actually, I still don't. Anyway, >when I picked it up I knew what is was. I was aware of the movie. Well, we definitely had the same experience, *there*. >[. . .] Six people say they saw it, 382 -- on this list, mind you -- >say they didn't. [. . .] > >Actually, if it was withdrawn the same day it was put there, I find six >of 382 to be a high percentage. [. . .] More on this reasoning in a separate post . . . >>I also believe in UFO's (but not abductions). > >Sorry, you're alone there. Eep. I've seen UFOs at least once and have read about 10 books on abductions--but I don't belief in abductions per se. -- Steven Feldman + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + Ben and Jerry: ice cream with enough saturated fat to kill a blue whale Eddie & Jerry (TD): band with enough CD releases to kill a bank account From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: POLL: Were You Into TD in 1984? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: RE: tadream-digest V16 #325 (keep naysayers) >Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:08:38 PDT >Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' > >>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >>Subject: RE: tadream-digest V16 #325 (keep naysayers) >>Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:29:41 -0400 >>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> >>Well, I haunted record stores in the '80s looking for TD, and was told >>it would be coming out soon. I never saw it. Six people say they saw >>it, 382 -- on this list, mind you -- say they didn't. [. . .] > >Actually, if it was withdrawn the same day it was put there, I find six >of 382 to be a high percentage. [. . .] I looked at the stuff in my files and have only been able to find *five* people who claim first-hand experience of the 1984 KEEP album, not six (I feel like a d**k misrepresenting the data that way, unless I've forgotten about somebody and/or deleted a file by accident.) | Okay, five people on the net have said they saw the KEEP album (one |saw the tape, not the LP, remember?), and four of these five are on the |list. They are (I hope none of you wince at my enumerating you thusly): | |1 Steven Feldman (held the record in his hands on a Wednesday in 1984) |2 Jim Jordan (says he held the record in his hands in 1983) |3 Pete Penfold (saw the record at a Tower Records in 1984) |4 Erik Sanborn (held the record in his hands in 1984) | | And then there is . . . | |5 Set Sutekh (non-subscriber to this list who saw the cassette and | held it in his hands several times during the course of a week) |+ Alan Michael Vincent (author of THE DREAM LIVES ON), who is no longer | on the net (says he met a DJ who claimed to have a copy of the | record, but his offer of $20 for a photocopy of the UPC number | was never taken up by said DJ) Now, it seems to me that the only non-witnesses of a 1984 KEEP LP which count re this argument are THOSE LIST MEMBERS WHO WERE ACTUALLY INTO TD IN 1984 AND LOOKING FOR TD ALBUMS IN 1984. That narrows the number from 382 considerably, seeing as some people on this list were not even *born* yet in 1984! So, those of you who did *not* see the KEEP album in 1984 yet were TD collectors in 1984--stand up and be counted. -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen | ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15219 Re: POLL: Were You Into TD in 1984? Dan J. Schulte Fri 7/3/1998 3 KB 15226 Re: POLL: Were You Into TD in 1984? Micke Stark Fri 7/3/1998 3 KB 15235 Re: POLL: Were You Into TD in 1984? Stephen Yensen Fri 7/3/1998 3 KB 15236 Re: POLL: Were You Into TD in 1984? Jens Peschke Fri 7/3/1998 3 KB 15239 Re: POLL: Were You Into TD in 1984? Michael Fox Fri 7/3/1998 3 KB 15249 Re: POLL: Were You Into TD in 1984? AOutland@a... Sat 7/4/1998 3 KB 15251 Re: POLL: Were You Into TD in 1984? SRiser3600@a... Sat 7/4/1998 2 KB 15257 Re: POLL: Were You Into TD in 1984? mark chmielewski Sat 7/4/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 7:54 pm Subject: Re: Father,Sons and Cousins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid Need we mention the many incarnations of 'Love on A Real train'? ;) Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 8:06 pm Subject: WTF? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Max Amundo' You know, I just joined this list about a week ago, and expected it to be SOMETHING like the Dream Theater list. Well, at first it was, but now I'm getting really pissed off. And you know what? I'll bet this is going to start a whole new thread of stupid comments because I, say, misspell a word? Let me clarify. I love this list, and the majority of the content is great. But I feel I have to comment. First, what the Hell business do people have advertising COMPLETELY un-TaDream-related shit like Pamela Anders... who gives a fuck? Get off our mailing list! Second, I can't BELIEVE the way that so many people on here are all 'Yeah, TD sucks bad. I'd go to a (insert name) concert any day before I'd see TD!' Why are you even here? I come here to talk to other dreamers about the GREATNESS of TD, NOT to hear people put them down. Last gripe. This stupid thread about 'I saw The Keep'... 'No, you didn't'... 'Yes, I did, you stupid moron'... 'Well, you were born 2 days ago, so philosophically speaking, aliens could have abducted you and implanted the memory... not that I believe in that...' Shut up! Who cares? You sound like a couple of kids. So he saw the CD. Others say they saw it. Quit calling people liers and just deal with the fact that He saw the disc and YOU didn't. -MAX AMUNDO... send hate-mail to ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15220 Re: WTF? Dan J. Schulte Fri 7/3/1998 4 KB 15221 Re: WTF? TWeibre361@a... Fri 7/3/1998 3 KB 15224 Re: WTF? Elias Granillo, Jr. Fri 7/3/1998 4 KB 15225 Re: WTF? Elias Granillo, Jr. Fri 7/3/1998 2 KB 15227 Re: WTF? Hassinen Ami Fri 7/3/1998 3 KB 15231 Re: WTF? Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Fri 7/3/1998 7 KB 15237 Re: WTF? Vic Rek Fri 7/3/1998 3 KB 15241 Re: WTF? TWeibre361@a... Fri 7/3/1998 2 KB 15242 Re: WTF? TWeibre361@a... Fri 7/3/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: aliens could have abducted you and implanted the memory ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 13:06:40 PDT >Subject: Re: WTF? >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Max Amundo > > You know, I just joined this list about a week ago [. . .] Welcome to our little zoo. Take care not to feed the polar bears, no matter *how* cute they might look. > Last gripe. This stupid thread about 'I saw The Keep'... 'No, you >didn't'... 'Yes, I did, you stupid moron'... [. . .] It's nice to have a fresh opinion on the matter (i.e. yours), at least. ;) >[. . .] Well, you were born 2 days ago, so philosophically speaking, >aliens could have abducted you and implanted the memory... [. . .] Now, *there's* a good one! Hee hee. :) :) > Shut up! Who cares? You sound like a couple of kids. So he saw the >CD. Others say they saw it. Quit calling people liers and just deal with >the fact that He saw the disc and YOU didn't. Well, that about says it all, doesn't it, boy and girls? ;) -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unidentified flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts the Air Force has silenced it personnel.' --Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, the 1st director of the CIA, quoted in THE NEW YORK TIMES, February 28, 1960. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 10:33 pm Subject: Missing Digests - Majordomo trouble ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' Could someone please send me the Digests 316 and 328. For some reason I can't get them from majordomo. The request is accepted and I get a message to say that it's coming separately, but I never get it. (Dave? ) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15229 Re: Missing Digests - Majordomo trouble Antonio Nunes Fri 7/3/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 12:09 am Subject: Re: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 08:28 AM 7/2/1998 -0700, Eli wrote: > Recently inducted (1998) >into the Academy of Vince Di Cola Enthusiasts (AVdCE). > That makes AT LEAST the three of us. :-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 12:22 am Subject: I SAW THE KEEP LP!!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15222 Re: I SAW THE KEEP LP!!!!!! Dan J. Schulte Fri 7/3/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 12:25 am Subject: Re: POLL: Were You Into TD in 1984? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > > > Now, it seems to me that the only non-witnesses of a 1984 KEEP LP > which count re this argument are THOSE LIST MEMBERS WHO WERE ACTUALLY > INTO TD IN 1984 AND LOOKING FOR TD ALBUMS IN 1984. That narrows the > number from 382 considerably, seeing as some people on this list were > not even *born* yet in 1984! > So, those of you who did *not* see the KEEP album in 1984 yet were > TD collectors in 1984--stand up and be counted. > > -- Steven Feldman Oh Steve...PLEASE trim yer little signature at the end...I get so sick of deleting it when I respond! Anyway, I began my TD experience in 1984...so I count when I say...It doesn't exist! Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 12:27 am Subject: Re: WTF? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: ---------------------------------------------------- > Really-From: 'Max Amundo' > > You know, I just joined this list about a week ago, and expected it > to be SOMETHING like the Dream Theater list. Well, at first it was, but > now I'm getting really pissed off. And you know what? I'll bet this is > going to start a whole new thread of stupid comments because I, say, > misspell a word? > > Let me clarify. I love this list, and the majority of the content is > great. But I feel I have to comment. > > First, what the Hell business do people have advertising COMPLETELY > un-TaDream-related shit like Pamela Anders... who gives a fuck? Get off > our mailing list! > > Second, I can't BELIEVE the way that so many people on here are all > 'Yeah, TD sucks bad. I'd go to a (insert name) concert any day before > I'd see TD!' Why are you even here? I come here to talk to other > dreamers about the GREATNESS of TD, NOT to hear people put them down. > > Last gripe. This stupid thread about 'I saw The Keep'... 'No, you > didn't'... 'Yes, I did, you stupid moron'... 'Well, you were born 2 days > ago, so philosophically speaking, aliens could have abducted you and > implanted the memory... not that I believe in that...' > Shut up! Who cares? You sound like a couple of kids. So he saw the > CD. Others say they saw it. Quit calling people liers and just deal with > the fact that He saw the disc and YOU didn't. > > -MAX AMUNDO... send hate-mail to Erm...who the hell are you? Get back to lurking. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 2:11 am Subject: Re: WTF? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-07-02 16:10:36 EDT, you write: << Second, I can't BELIEVE the way that so many people on here are all 'Yeah, TD sucks bad. I'd go to a (insert name) concert any day before I'd see TD!' Why are you even here? I come here to talk to other dreamers about the GREATNESS of TD, NOT to hear people put them down. >> hehe.... Shut up! Who cares? you said it, not me... tom w np: a time 4 heroes ( should i say 'thanx' e-man? u got the better end of that deal) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 2:24 am Subject: Re: I SAW THE KEEP LP!!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 3:44 am Subject: THE KEEP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: RBrown4856@a... I don't know about anyone else but I'd rather know where or when I might be able to find THE KEEP cd now,rather than whether or not someone saw it 14 years ago.Anyone have any ideas? >THANKS! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15243 Re: THE KEEP feldon@p... Sat 7/4/1998 3 KB 16460 THE KEEP Shadow Sun 5/16/1999 1 KB 16462 Re: THE KEEP Carl & Jacqui Kearney Mon 5/17/1999 2 KB 16526 Re: THE KEEP John Gentile Wed 5/19/1999 3 KB 20656 Re: THE KEEP AOutland@a... Tue 2/1/2000 2 KB 20657 Re: THE KEEP Michael A Jean Tue 2/1/2000 1 KB 23533 THE KEEP Jeffrey Au Yeung Mon 8/7/2000 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 7:59 am Subject: Re: WTF? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: 'Max Amundo' > > > You know, I just joined this list about a week ago, and expected it > to be SOMETHING like the Dream Theater list. Well, at first it was, but > now I'm getting really pissed off. And you know what? I'll bet this is > going to start a whole new thread of stupid comments because I, say, > misspell a word? You're overreacting, amigo...by the way, I hear the Dream Theater list is populated by many snobbish types... > First, what the Hell business do people have advertising COMPLETELY > un-TaDream-related shit like Pamela Anders... who gives a fuck? Get off > our mailing list! SPAMmers. Nothing more, nothing less. > Second, I can't BELIEVE the way that so many people on here are all > 'Yeah, TD sucks bad. I'd go to a (insert name) concert any day before > I'd see TD!' Why are you even here? I come here to talk to other > dreamers about the GREATNESS of TD, NOT to hear people put them down. We all think TD is great, but we don't think ALL TD is great. That's the difference. > Last gripe. This stupid thread about 'I saw The Keep'... 'No, you > didn't'... 'Yes, I did, you stupid moron'... 'Well, you were born 2 days > ago, so philosophically speaking, aliens could have abducted you and > implanted the memory... not that I believe in that...' > Shut up! Who cares? You sound like a couple of kids. So he saw the > CD. Others say they saw it. Quit calling people liers and just deal with > the fact that He saw the disc and YOU didn't. You should observe a little more before ranting. If it just boiled down to a CD, Elder Feldman would have burned everyone CD-Rs by now. It's the issue of a certain LP, fifteen years old, that many claim exists but nobody owns. Continue observing/lurking... E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 8:08 am Subject: Re: WTF? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > > np: a time 4 heroes ( should i say 'thanx' e-man? u got the better end of that > deal) Well, either way, we both ended up with rarities :-) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 7:35 am Subject: Re: POLL: Were You Into TD in 1984? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Micke Stark tadream mailing list wrote: > So, those of you who did *not* see the KEEP album in 1984 yet were > TD collectors in 1984--stand up and be counted. > > OK, I was a collector then, I saw it listed in a mailorderlist,I ordered it but it never showed up. Micke From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 9:03 am Subject: Re: WTF? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ami.hassinen@e... (Hassinen Ami) >Really-From: 'Max Amundo' (snip) >Second, I can't BELIEVE the way that so many people on here are all >'Yeah, TD sucks bad. I'd go to a (insert name) concert any day before >I'd see TD!' Why are you even here? I come here to talk to other >dreamers about the GREATNESS of TD, NOT to hear people put them down. (snip) Cool it down, Max... TD has made music since 1967. That´s a HUGE body of work they´ve made and it is very unlikely that one person could think all of it as totally fantastic and without any flaws...I love TD music as much as you or even more, but I accept that others may think otherwise. This list is about sharing views and info on TD and that allows some critisism here and there... If you want to see just un-critical praise, you should stick to the TD guestbook...in short: put up or shut up....:-) Have some 'Zeit' and smile, Ami ps. My guess is that Italy vs. France tonight will end 2-1 for Italy ;-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 9:05 am Subject: RE: More Keep blather ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' ----Original Message Follows---- Really-From: Michael Fox >>But, that doesn't mean that the tapes weren't sent to the presses in >>anticipation of a release. That happens quite often. >Can you give an example? Regards, Mike How about the Soundtrack to the movie 'Missing'? JJ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15234 Re: More Keep blather Dan J. Schulte Fri 7/3/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 10:47 am Subject: Re: Missing Digests - Majordomo trouble ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes 'Lawry Simm' wrote: > Could someone please send me the Digests 316 and 328. > > For some reason I can't get them from majordomo. The request > is accepted and I get a message to say that it's coming separately, > but I never get it. I had problems with those particular digests too, I received them incomplete. Antonio TD fan since 1983, never seen The Keep LP ! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 3, 1997 9:21 am Subject: congratulation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. 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Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 >Really-From: 'Max Amundo' Hi Max, welcome to the greatest source of TD info outside Ed's head. 8-) > You know, I just joined this list about a week ago, and expected it >to be SOMETHING like the Dream Theater list. Well, at first it was, but >now I'm getting really pissed off. And you know what? I'll bet this is >going to start a whole new thread of stupid comments because I, say, >misspell a word? Well, you got that right, didn't you. Unfortunately, when you make deliberately inflammatory remarks from a position of admitted ignorance (in that you have only been on the list for a week), then you are bound to be corrected or given the wider picture. > First, what the Hell business do people have advertising COMPLETELY >un-TaDream-related shit like Pamela Anders... who gives a fuck? Get off >our mailing list! Unless you are completely new to computers, surely you must have seen this as a SPAM and, as such, no-oen here appreciates them (well, except perhaps Dano and Eli in this particular case 8-)). > Second, I can't BELIEVE the way that so many people on here are all >'Yeah, TD sucks bad. I'd go to a (insert name) concert any day before >I'd see TD!' Why are you even here? I come here to talk to other >dreamers about the GREATNESS of TD, NOT to hear people put them down. If you'd been reading carefully you would have seen that this was, in fact, a reappearace of the old 'how much does TD play live' debate, and a compairosn with JMJ's live performances. Persons who said that they'd prefer to see another artist instead of TD are entitled to their opinion - I believe this list is for fans of TD and not necessarily people who think that TD is the be-all-and-end-all of music. Finally, on this point, someone has already mentioned that you will see (if you stick around) some massive differences of opinion regarding TD's output over the last 30 years. I believe many people's comments about live TD in the 90s relates as much to their disatisfaction with the musical output of the era as to the 'live play' argument. > Last gripe. This stupid thread about 'I saw The Keep'... 'No, you >didn't'... 'Yes, I did, you stupid moron'... 'Well, you were born 2 days >ago, so philosophically speaking, aliens could have abducted you and >implanted the memory... not that I believe in that...' > Shut up! Who cares? You sound like a couple of kids. So he saw the >CD. Others say they saw it. Quit calling people liers and just deal with >the fact that He saw the disc and YOU didn't. Again, another situation where you have ranted without knowing the full story. Steven Quest for the Holy Keep LP has been ongoing for as long as I've been on this list (about 4 years, I thnk). His 'obsession' leads to lengthy, often repetitive posts on a topic that many list members have given up caring about. As a result, there is usually a brief spat, lasting about a week when things heat up, and then it dies down again until Steven gets his latest bit of news. Whilst some of the posters do so to rile Steven, others simply wish to state that whilst Steven believes that the LP existd, others believe it does not. And when Steven presents his case (for the umpteenth time), so the others present their cases (for the umpteenth time). I believe most on the list will be happy if and when Steve finally finds a copy of the LP, and I believe Steve will be equally happy _not_ giving anyone a tape of its contents! 8-) Might I suggest, Max, that you consider the wider picture before lambasting the long-time posters of this list? Your input to discussions will be welcomed (have you ever seen/heard of a Keep LP, where and when have you seen TD live, what attracts you to TD's music?) and I hope, with time, you'll see the list in its true colours. NP : Proxima Centauri - Far From Stars ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8269 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 2:21 pm Subject: the f'***ing keep lp ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: NAdams43@a... personally i dont give a shit whether the keep was out on lp or not,i have been into dream since 1975 and i have never seen it, on lp that is, i have seen it on cd though at a klaus schulze concert. im sure there are plenty of keep cdr boots about if someone is that desperate to get hold of the music. nick np red shift From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 3:16 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #330 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Richmond > > > Now, it seems to me that the only non-witnesses of a 1984 KEEP LP > > which count re this argument are THOSE LIST MEMBERS WHO WERE ACTUALLY > INTO TD IN 1984 AND LOOKING FOR TD ALBUMS IN 1984. That narrows the > number from 382 considerably, seeing as some people on this list were > not even *born* yet in 1984! > So, those of you who did *not* see the KEEP album in 1984 yet > were > TD collectors in 1984--stand up and be counted. > > OK. Count me. I've been following TD since about 1977, buying everything I could get my hands on until fairly recently. I'm fast growing tired of Ed's marketing 'technique'. No Dream Dice for me, thanks. I never ran across 'The Keep', or I'd own it. I would have been in college at the time and any TD LP I found would have been more important than rent or food... I can't say it never existed, but I never saw it. Later... Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 4:26 pm Subject: Re: More Keep blather ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > Really-From: Michael Fox > > >>But, that doesn't mean that the tapes weren't sent to the presses in > >>anticipation of a release. That happens quite often. Err...no it doesn't. I worked for a soundtrack producer and believe me, rights were established LONG before anything gets sent to the plant for production. Now, IF the Keep was sent out to someone for release or even just a preview...I can guarantee you there would be a boot of it. How do you think the boots like Blade Runner & Excalibur & Die Hard exist? A recording gets out, probably to some OST producer, & then bam...he goes to town. So, where's the Keep? The masters never got sent out. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 11:42 am Subject: Re: POLL: Were You Into TD in 1984? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Stephen Yensen Steve Feldman sez: << So, those of you who did *not* see the KEEP album in 1984 yet were TD collectors in 1984--stand up and be counted. >> I started collecting TD in 1974, but never saw the KEEP. Do I count? <> You mean there are list members 14 years of age and younger? Steve, aged 45 (75 on a bad day). Nottingham, UK. p.s. Happy 4th of July to all the North Americans on the list. Down with the British! (and before you flame me note my email address) np: God Save The Queen! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 6:13 pm Subject: Re: POLL: Were You Into TD in 1984? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Steve Feldman sez: > >So, those of you who did *not* see the KEEP album in 1984 yet were >TD collectors in 1984--stand up and be counted. Count me in, Stevo. I've been looking for EM stuff regulary at fleemarkets in 1984 and did not see anything 'KEEP' related either. Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 6:51 pm Subject: Re: WTF? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek > Really-From: 'Max Amundo' [...] > Shut up! Who cares? You sound like a couple of kids. So he saw the > CD. Others say they saw it. Quit calling people liers and just deal with > the fact that He saw the disc and YOU didn't. WTF? Nice way to introduce yourself. I hope you were having a bad day when you wrote this. It's not easy being a TD fan, so why don't YOU share us some thoughts about the group and not tell others to shut up? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 7:24 pm Subject: Miramar Video Album Collection ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek There is a VHS NTSC Video box set out by Miramar titled 'Video Album Collection'. The box set contains 3 videos (2 hr. 15 min. of music). Canyon Dreams - Tangerine Dream Natural States Desert Vision From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 2:07 pm Subject: Re: POLL: Were You Into TD in 1984? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 03:15 PM 7/2/98 EDT, you wrote: > So, those of you who did *not* see the KEEP album in 1984 yet were >TD collectors in 1984--stand up and be counted. Not only was I collecting TD then, I was also half-owner of a record store. We had many resourses for used/cut-out/etc lp's/CD's, both domestic and import, as well as new product (ugh) and did a LOT of special ordering. Of course I used these resourses for my own gain, i.e. TD, and have NO recollection of ever seeing it mentioned. If I had seen it, there would have been at least one copy in the store. Obviously, this is not a diffinitive answer, but it was my own experience. Refute at will, Mr. Feldman! Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 3:20 pm Subject: Re: congratulation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 09:21 AM 7/3/97, you wrote: >You must be 18 years or over to enter the hottest, sexiest >site showing GERMAN GIRLS on the NET. Click me hard now. . DAVID!! HELP!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 9:07 pm Subject: Re: WTF? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-07-03 04:14:35 EDT, you write: << Well, either way, we both ended up with rarities :-) >> at the rate im going, that kw show is not gonna be too rare... tom w np: joyride soundtrack From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 9:09 pm Subject: Re: WTF? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-07-03 05:03:19 EDT, you write: << My guess is that Italy vs. France tonight will end 2-1 for Italy ;-) >> hehe...werent you wrong.... tom w np: replay of brasil - denmark.... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 12:23 am Subject: Re: THE KEEP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 11:44 PM 7/2/98 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: RBrown4856@a... > >I don't know about anyone else but I'd rather know where or when I might be >able to find THE KEEP cd now,rather than whether or not someone saw it 14 >years ago.Anyone have any ideas? You won't find a The Keep CD nowadays. CDs were not in common use 14 years ago. The Cassette and LP are rare/nonexistant to the point that no-one on the list has been able to produce a copy. -Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 12:25 am Subject: Re: WTF? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 01:06 PM 7/2/98 PDT, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Max Amundo' > > You know, I just joined this list about a week ago, and expected it >to be SOMETHING like the Dream Theater list. Well, at first it was, but Never heard of this list in my life. Is there any information you could share with the list? > Second, I can't BELIEVE the way that so many people on here are all >'Yeah, TD sucks bad. I'd go to a (insert name) concert any day before >I'd see TD!' Why are you even here? I come here to talk to other >dreamers about the GREATNESS of TD, NOT to hear people put them down. TD live is NOT live. it's a tape. I'd rather buy the CD than pay the time money and expense to go and stand in an audience and listen to a tape. -Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 12:31 am Subject: Re: TD Guest book entry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 11:28 AM 6/30/98 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: RBrown4856@a... > > >The only problem is Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and >over and over.At least TD is music.I've tried to listen to KS because some say >he is better than TD.After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out. That's fine, but keep your opinions YOUR opinions. You do not speak for Klaus Schulze fans. (I've only heard about 30 minutes) -Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 12:32 am Subject: RE: TD Guest book entry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 11:25 AM 6/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: Joel Mullen > >On Tuesday, June 30, 1998 10:27 AM, tadream mailing list >[SMTP:tadream@c...] wrote: >> >> Really-From: J.Peschke@s... >> >> It's already gone... > >Those thin-skinned sons-uv -bitches can't handle any critisim can they! >They certainly know what is *best* for their fans don't they! It reminds >me of when mom covers your ears when your drunk uncle starts swearing >at the dinner table. The answer is simple. Write a cgi script that posts that message to the guestbook every 6 hours. -Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 12:44 am Subject: RE: TD Guest book entry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 11:28 AM 6/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: J.E.Owens@A... > > >Well it is a guest book, not a bitch n flame board! It was not a bitch or a flame. It was a surprisingly calm commentary on the rediculousness of this boxed set. The box is ACTUALLY about 60% previously released and the rest has nary been touched by the creative process (in my opinion!). >I admit, I was a bit shocked at the price. But I hadn't been buying >many new releases, so I only have the US version of Dream Mixes I >(with only the one CD) so EVERYTHING in the set is new to me. Why are these discs $19 each individually and $23 each in the box? ESPECIALLY considering their profit margin is WAYYY higher than they would be slurping through another label. >Plus, by >the time you buy 14 CDs (there should be 14 discs in the set: DM1 is 2 >CDs plus the bonus CD) at $17 (us) apiece, that comes up to $238, and >you can't get the bonus CD separately! Let me help you... they're $19 each, and the total price of the boxed set is $300. Fellows, lets break out the CD burners. (I am not involved in any pirating or duplication of official TD music. do NOT e-mail me requesting such stuff) >I've already ordered mine. If you didn't already have the 2CD of Dream Mixes (disc 2 isn't worth $19 considering it's length), Ambient Monkeys, Timesquare, and Quinoa, then yes, this box may just be worth it. But after the scathing reviews of Atlantic , that's $40 I could be using on a Playstation game, like Oddworld: Abe's Exxodus (Abe's Oddysee 2) or Metal Gear Solid. >If you don't like the price, order them individually, after the price >comes down. Don't complain to the world at large because you aren't >being treated fairly! You will find that many of the people on this list fashion themselves as commentators, including myself. Some have much experience in the music and entertainment industry, some don't (I absolutely do not). As faithful fans of TD who have purchased most of their music, this boxed set is a true shame. I will continue to state that Tangerine Dream's BEST boxed set in history (and probably ever, the way things are going), is Electronic Orgy. It is a pity that Tangerine Dream was not involved in the production of this. I would have GLADLY shelled out the cash if they had been on the end of the money line... If Chevy came out with a new Suburban which was smaller than a Nissan pickup truck, there would be public outcry. Maybe on some other planet, people would simply not buy the vehicles. But here on Earth, we also feel the need to comment on this, write long magazine articles about it, and even dedicate news segments about such an event and generally rant about the state of product designers and placement experts. -Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 12:46 am Subject: Re: Warsaw in the Sun 12' question ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 12:39 PM 6/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: J.E.Owens@A... > >Hello, > > I just bought the 12' of Warsaw in the Sun. The melody in the >title track sounds VERY familiar. Anyone happen to know where this >comes from. I SWEAR I've heard that exact melody on a TD album before, >but I can't remember which one. I went all the way through Exit and >Hyperborea looking for it, but didn't find it. >Also the 'Polish Dance' track sounds familiar, a bit like Exit (the >track) but I'm not sure about that one either. Well, Warsaw in the Sun is part of the Poland 2CD (first track, disc 2). There were several variations of this track. -Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 1:04 am Subject: Re: POLL: Were You Into TD in 1984? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... In a message dated 98-07-03 17:06:44 EDT, you write: << So, those of you who did *not* see the KEEP album in 1984 yet were >TD collectors in 1984--stand up and be counted. >> I got into TD in 1980; however, by the time 1984 rolled around I was living on a boat and not able to check any stores frequently for new TD stuff. That's why most of my collecting has been within the last two or three years. Therefore, I never saw The Keep since, if it existed, it would have been yanked off the shelves too quickly. However, approximately 1987 I wandered into a record store and found six TD LP's on sale $4 apiece. I bought them even though I didn't have a phonograph to play them on. Managed to get a cousin to record them for me, so to this date they have only been played that one single time. Still have them. Too bad one of them wasn't The Keep. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 12:12 am Subject: Re: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Fonda Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > At 08:28 AM 7/2/1998 -0700, Eli wrote: > > > Recently inducted (1998) > >into the Academy of Vince Di Cola Enthusiasts (AVdCE). > > > > That makes AT LEAST the three of us. :-) Make that FOUR. (Anything to divert the attention from THE K**P). BTW, Steven, since you've devoted your life to the pursuit of this dubious item, what on earth will you do with yourself if you ever actually find the bugger?? (Hint: Maybe you should get a head start on the situation and try having a real life). Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 2:26 am Subject: Re: POLL: Were You Into TD in 1984? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: SRiser3600@a... FIRST HEARD TD 1973 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 2:28 am Subject: DD postponed indefinetly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'neil vanlaten' >Subj: RE: DD >Date: 98-07-03 15:14:40 EDT >From: apatters@t... (Archie Patterson) >Reply-to: apatters@e... >To: NVL77@a... > >Neil, >I just got a phone call from Germany and the DREAM DICE set has been >delayed indefinitely due to printing problems with the box itself. >They said a few sets were made with 'bad boxes' and they went back >to the printer to get it corrected and the printer ruined the films. >So they have to be made again and it will 'take some time'. > >In future we'll see what happens. For now I'll refund money to >anyone who paid cash for the set. > >Archie Greetings, Receieve the above e-mail from Archie at Eurock. Another TD disappointment for those of us waiting patiently to receive DD. Neil ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15260 Re: DD postponed indefinetly Alex Boretz Sat 7/4/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 3:24 am Subject: Re: WTF? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-07-03 20:33:14 EDT, you write: << TD live is NOT live. it's a tape. I'd rather buy the CD than pay the time money and expense to go and stand in an audience and listen to a tape. >> thats kinda harsh...it used to be live, 77 definately was, 86 was also... tom w np: wierd news: July 3, 1998 Dear Friends, I'm afraid I have some bad news. I just received a phone call from TDI in Germany and it seems they are having major production problems with the DREAM DICE box set. In particular the printing of the artwork has been botched by the company responsible, the print film has been damaged and now needs to be laid out, re-shot, re-printed, etc. The end result is a delay of unspecified time before the sets will be ready. I was also told that a few sets were shipped out, then the decision was made to re-do the printed matter and delay release until a future date. In light of this problem and the uncertainty as to exactly when the set will be available again I am refunding you the pre-paid amount you sent me . If you were going to pay with a credit card, of course you have not been charged. Please forgive this problem, the situation is out of my control. TD has now cancelled all their recording contracts and distribution agreements around the world as Edgar seems to want to handle his own business. On the basis of this DREAM DICE affair I question his wisdom. I for one will certainly proceed with caution in dealing with TDI in the future. Sorry for this inconvenience! Archie Patterson apatters@e... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15259 Re: WTF? feldon@p... Sat 7/4/1998 3 KB 15262 Re: WTF? Marcel Engels Sat 7/4/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 3:28 am Subject: Re: TD Guest book entry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-07-03 20:37:59 EDT, you write: << >Really-From: RBrown4856@a... > > >The only problem is Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and >over and over.At least TD is music.I've tried to listen to KS because some say >he is better than TD.After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out. >> hey...please...be my guest...where are you? ill send the bullets.....or would you rather use some high grade bolivian coke? whatever takes you out.... tom w np: anne clarke - r.s.v.p. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15255 Re: TD Guest book entry. RBrown4856@a... Sat 7/4/1998 2 KB 15256 Re: TD Guest book entry. RBrown4856@a... Sat 7/4/1998 5 KB 15258 Re: TD Guest book entry. Elias Granillo, Jr. Sat 7/4/1998 3 KB 15265 Re: TD Guest book entry. TWeibre361@a... Sat 7/4/1998 2 KB 15271 Re: TD Guest book entry. David Datta Sat 7/4/1998 2 KB 15277 Re: TD Guest book entry. feldon@p... Sat 7/4/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 3:57 am Subject: Re: TD Guest book entry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: RBrown4856@a... THE MUSIC WORLD WOULD BE SERVED BETTER IF YOU WOULD SEND THE BULLETS AND COKE TO KLAUS SCHULZE.MAYBE JUST THE BULLETS BECAUSE HE PLAYS LIKE HE'S HAD MORE THAN ENOUGH COKE. >RICK From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 4:23 am Subject: Re: TD Guest book entry. In light of the very recent developments regardng the delay of the Dream Dice set....at least Klaus and his mgr Klaus Mueller say what they are going to do ,when they are going to do it...AND THEN DO IT!!! Also, may I suggest KS cds: Are you sequenced, and Beyond Recall ...cut entitled Brave Old Sequence....could change your opinion. Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 3:57 am Subject: Re: TD Guest book entry. To: tadream@c... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: RBrown4856@a... THE MUSIC WORLD WOULD BE SERVED BETTER IF YOU WOULD SEND THE BULLETS AND COKE TO KLAUS SCHULZE.MAYBE JUST THE BULLETS BECAUSE HE PLAYS LIKE HE'S HAD MORE THAN ENOUGH COKE. >RICK From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 4:47 am Subject: Re: POLL: Were You Into TD in 1984? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mchmiele@i... (mark chmielewski) I have been a TD collector somewhere around 1982 even though I had bought Rubycon in the late 70's. I never ran across the Keep LP or Cassette... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 4:54 am Subject: Re: TD Guest book entry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > From: tadream mailing list > > In light of the very recent developments regardng the delay of the Dream > Dice set....at least Klaus and his mgr Klaus Mueller say what they are > going to do ,when they are going to do it...AND THEN DO IT!!! Also, may > I suggest KS cds: Are you sequenced, and Beyond Recall ...cut entitled > Brave Old Sequence....could change your opinion. > > Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions Hi, everyone... Not to intrude on the Klaus Schulze vs. TDI discussion, but in lieu of the rug being yanked out from beneath DREAM DICE, and since people have got money coming back to them, and alternate musical choices (see above) are being recommended, may I suggest three amazing, must-have CDs (I believe Eurock & Minnette Music still have them): Mark Shreeve: COLLIDE Paul Nagle: THE LIVE ELEMENT Vince Di Cola: TRANSFORMERS (Original Soundtrack --- available at http://www.botcon.com) --- End of Commercial --- :-) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 6:23 am Subject: Re: WTF? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 11:24 PM 7/3/98 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > >In a message dated 98-07-03 20:33:14 EDT, you write: > ><< TD live is NOT live. it's a tape. I'd rather buy the CD than pay the time > money and expense to go and stand in an audience and listen to a tape. > >> > >thats kinda harsh...it used to be live, 77 definately was, 86 was also... TD from 1990-present is a tape. I would sell my soul to travel back in time and see a 1975-1985 concert. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15262 Re: WTF? Marcel Engels Sat 7/4/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 2:21 pm Subject: Re: DD postponed indefinetly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: nospamboretz@p... (Alex Boretz) >Really-From: 'neil vanlaten' >>Subj: RE: DD >>Date: 98-07-03 15:14:40 EDT >>From: apatters@t... (Archie Patterson) >>Reply-to: apatters@e... >>To: NVL77@a... >> >>Neil, > >>I just got a phone call from Germany and the DREAM DICE set has been >>delayed indefinitely due to printing problems with the box itself. {snip} > >Greetings, > >Receieve the above e-mail from Archie at Eurock. Another TD >disappointment for those of us waiting patiently to receive DD. > >Neil HaHaHaHaHa! 'patiently'?! Rolling on the floor!! HoHoHoHo... Now, *that's* funny! 'patiently' HeHeHeHe... ;-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 7:23 am Subject: KEEP OFF THE KEEP! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Alistair Hull 'nuff said. Alistair Hull Metro Region, Little Falls, NJ Lawson Software alistair.hull@l... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 9:13 am Subject: RE: WTF? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: feldon@p... > > TD from 1990-present is a tape. I would sell my soul to travel > back in time > and see a 1975-1985 concert. > > -Morgan I know how you feel, Morgan. We're just too damn young! I would do almost anything to see a 70s, begin 80s show. (luckily I saw Shreeves performance on Alpha Centauri with the Big Moog) If just Edgar would release such a video....... Wouldn't mind the bad quality. What ever happened to the rumor about Edgar releasing a video about the European tour from last year? Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 9:28 am Subject: DD box witnesses, stand up and be counted ;-) was DD postponed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' [Mr. Peterson of www.eurock.com] >>I just got a phone call from Germany and the DREAM DICE set has been >>delayed indefinitely due to printing problems with the box itself. Huh ? Well 3 of 4 printed sides are looking pretty good but it might be the case the 4th printed side is bad printed: The one with a small Uncle Sam in the background has an odd looking stripe (about 1,7*11 cm) were the colours are misprinted (green/pink instead of orange/red). Thought it's part of the image/an effect. >>They said a few sets were made with 'bad boxes' Would be interesting, how many sets they already sent off. Are there any other listmembers than the 3 Germans (Hans-Peter, Michael and me) who already got it ? I know some Brits already got it (TD's guestbook).... Those who saw the DD box in 1998, stand up and be counted. ;-);-) On another note, the first single new_TDI_items appeared in my local store (WOM, that is) for DM 38 each, none of the previously unreleased albums (Hollywood suckfest 1/2, Quineo, Transsiberia, though. Ob: Football: France vs. Brasil is still a possible final ! What a great game Denmark vs. Brasil was ! A most excellent performance of the Danish team. Kind Regards Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15267 Re: DD box witnesses, stand up and be counted ;-) TWeibre361@a... Sat 7/4/1998 3 KB 15268 Re: DD box witnesses, stand up and be counted ;-) Marcel Engels Sat 7/4/1998 3 KB 15269 Re: DD box witnesses, stand up and be counted ;-) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ingo_P=FCschma Sat 7/4/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 5:57 pm Subject: A dicey project...... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dan.cor@v... Hi, This latest DD problem seems to typify the whole project. Shouldn't the boxes have been checked before they went out? This sounds like a bit of a story to me. Does anyone have the box and can they comment? I hope that there are no other, more serious problems. When has anyone seen a record company plan to put out 25 albums in 1 year from 1 artist? I am not talking about the KS boxes, they were planned limited editions which they presumably fixed their numbers at for what they thought they could sell. We have had no indication that this huge TD release will be limited. No major label does this, it is not considered financially viable, average fans do not buy this many (even 12) CDs from 1 artist in a year (we on this list are different, those that plan to buy DD that is, and do not typify the average TD buyer). It must be a massive financial investment (for a newish label) to plan so many releases, are they being too ambitious in being able to press enough copies of all these albums for general release? This venture has always struck me as being rather odd. Could this be a prelude for a lot of very limited release albums? You never know, the Hollywood Years CDs may be 'The Keep' lp of the next decade! Comments and flames awaited ;-) Regards, Daniel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15274 Re: A dicey project...... feldon@p... Sat 7/4/1998 3 KB 15278 Off-Topic - Congratulations to the Dutch! Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 7/4/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 11:38 am Subject: Re: TD Guest book entry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-07-03 23:59:30 EDT, you write: << THE MUSIC WORLD WOULD BE SERVED BETTER IF YOU WOULD SEND THE BULLETS AND COKE TO KLAUS SCHULZE.MAYBE JUST THE BULLETS BECAUSE HE PLAYS LIKE HE'S HAD MORE THAN ENOUGH COKE. >> but he never said he'd blow his brains out... tom w np: ks - historic edition (happy fourth!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 11:41 am Subject: Re: WTF? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-07-04 02:30:50 EDT, you write: << ><< TD live is NOT live. it's a tape. I'd rather buy the CD than pay the time > money and expense to go and stand in an audience and listen to a tape. > >> > >thats kinda harsh...it used to be live, 77 definately was, 86 was also... TD from 1990-present is a tape. I would sell my soul to travel back in time and see a 1975-1985 concert. >> agreed...but to sell your soul? don't KEEP wishing those things... tom w np: ks - historic edition From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 11:45 am Subject: Re: DD box witnesses, stand up and be counted ;-) was DD postponed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-07-04 05:37:47 EDT, you write: << Ob: Football: France vs. Brasil is still a possible final ! What a great game Denmark vs. Brasil was ! A most excellent performance of the Danish team. >> yeah, especially the missed 3:3 at the end standing right in front of the goal... tom w np: the croatian national anthem From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 1:13 pm Subject: RE: DD box witnesses, stand up and be counted ;-) was DD postponed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > Would be interesting, how many sets they already sent off. > Are there any other listmembers than the 3 Germans > (Hans-Peter, Michael and me) who already got it ? > I know some Brits already got it (TD's guestbook).... > > Those who saw the DD box in 1998, stand up and be counted. ;-);-) You better KEEP that box, Jens. You never know if it's going to be as rare as a certain LP. > Ob: Football: France vs. Brasil is still a possible final ! > What a great game Denmark vs. Brasil was ! > A most excellent performance of the Danish team. Yep, was great. In 2 hours or so - Holland against Argentinia. Hmmmm, difficult one...let's hope. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 1:43 pm Subject: Re: DD box witnesses, stand up and be counted ;-) was DD postponed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ingo_P=FCschmann?=' > > Would be interesting, how many sets they already sent off. > Are there any other listmembers than the 3 Germans > (Hans-Peter, Michael and me) who already got it ? > I know some Brits already got it (TD's guestbook).... > I've got my set some weeks ago (same time as Jens got it). Unfortunately I can't comment on it in the moment because it is in Germany and I'm in Malaysia... Ingo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 2:33 pm Subject: Re: OFF SUBJECT WORLD CUP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: SRiser3600@a... OK OFF SUBJECT BUT IT WAS MENTIONED HERE FIRST.. WHATS THE DEAL WITH SOCCER(FOOT BALL IN EUROPE) ITS A BLOODY GAME AND PEOPLE FIGHT AND RIOT OVER IT.. I THOUGHT REDNECKS WERE ONLY IN THE US.. GUESS PEOPLE WITH SMALL IQs ARE EVERYWHERE.. ITS A GAME , A STUPID GAME !!!!!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 2:51 pm Subject: Re: TD Guest book entry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: David Datta The reason it was removed is pretty simple, they said they won't accept postings related to TDI in the TD Guestbook. There is another guestbook message that they replied to where they said this. I don't know why everyone is complaining. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15277 Re: TD Guest book entry. feldon@p... Sat 7/4/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 3:41 pm Subject: Off topic: caps lock rantings ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: RBrown4856@a... > >THE MUSIC WORLD WOULD BE SERVED BETTER IF YOU WOULD SEND THE >BULLETS AND COKE >TO KLAUS SCHULZE.MAYBE JUST THE BULLETS BECAUSE HE PLAYS LIKE HE'S >HAD MORE THAN ENOUGH COKE. > >>RICK Really-From: SRiser3600@a... >OK OFF SUBJECT BUT IT WAS MENTIONED HERE FIRST.. >WHATS THE DEAL WITH SOCCER(FOOT BALL IN EUROPE) ITS A BLOODY GAME AND >PEOPLE FIGHT AND RIOT OVER IT.. >I THOUGHT REDNECKS WERE ONLY IN THE US.. >GUESS PEOPLE WITH SMALL IQs ARE EVERYWHERE.. >ITS A GAME , A STUPID GAME !!!!!!! Rick and that unnamed sriser36 thingy, would you please stop these *Caps lock rantings* ? Ta in advance ! How about constructive, informative e-mails instead ? Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 4:13 pm Subject: JMJ never did an album called Turn Of The Tides! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Max Amundo' It seems many fans aren't really fans of TD and are really fans of Chris Franke. I wish more TD would be live, too. But who would they get to play it? Personally, all of my band's live music will be completely live. I would still kill to see TD live, though. Coming back to America anytime soon? Now I'm gonna get it. I got into TD in 1994 when I first heard Turn of the Tides. So that means I'm young. 18 in August. I was born yesterday, and I don't like it. I have since discovered how great their earlier stuff is. But at first I acted like I didn't like it because it wasn't the same, and they had 'too many' CDs. But TD doesn't do the same album twice (Miracle Mile & Melrose?) My point is that I honestly think a lot of people say the newer stuff sucks because it puts a limit on the # of albums they have to get. And I already know this will be denied, as I did too. But maybe I'm just wrong (c:]>* My favorites are Poland, Rockoon, and Tournado. And for those who might be interested, they're going back underground. If you hear TimeSquare & stuff, they're going more 'Blue Years' sounding again. When I first heard Optical Race, I didn't like it. But I've learned to listen to music for what it is, so I do like it now, especially Marakesh and Sun Gate. Dream Theater isn't for most people on here. I'm surprised anyone recognized the name at all. I'm sure a lot of you recognize the bands Kansas...Rush...Queensryche..., well, Dream Theater are the leadres of the Prog-Metal movement in the '90s, a heavy music that's actually music, not a bunch of crap like Pantera or something. They're better than the previous bands, and are almost as beautiful and more driving than TD. Overall my favorite band. I'll send more on them when people know me a little better. No list is filled with snobs, and there are only a couple there. The fact is, while 80% of the fans here are great, this list has lots of snobs on it. Way more than the other. And I'm sorry if I've been sounding like one too. For the one guy who was told to shut up, you're right. TD is great music, and almost no-one can touch it. If my signature thing works, it's what I wrote to Dream Theater when I was talking about TD. And once again, sorry if I've been sounding like a snob. If I don't get slammed a lot, I can ask things like: Are there any stores in the US (california specifically) that will carry TDI releases? And Underwater Sunlight, too. I need that one. ThanX. TaDream Rules. Now my signature... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15275 JMJ never did an album called Turn Of The Tides! Max Amundo Sat 7/4/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 4:09 pm Subject: Re: A dicey project...... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 10:57 AM 7/4/98 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: dan.cor@v... > >Hi, > >This latest DD problem seems to typify the whole project. Shouldn't the >boxes have been checked before they went out? This sounds like a bit of >a story to me. Does anyone have the box and can they comment? Especially since Eddie and Jerry *supposedly* held each box in their hands and signed them!!! >It must be a massive financial investment (for a newish label) to plan >so many releases, are they being too ambitious in being able to press >enough copies of all these albums for general release? This venture has >always struck me as being rather odd. Could this be a prelude for a lot >of very limited release albums? Dream Dice is not 'releases'. It's a safe semi-rerelease. Instead of a totally new release box. >You never know, the Hollywood Years CDs may be 'The Keep' lp of the next >decade! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15278 Off-Topic - Congratulations to the Dutch! Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 7/4/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 4:18 pm Subject: JMJ never did an album called Turn Of The Tides! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Max Amundo' One more thing... NOBODY SPAMS YTSEJAM! That's the Dream Theater list. Inside info: their name used to be Majesty. They did an instrumental jam after becoming DT where they called it Majesty backwards. I think it's just too weird how the 2 best bands on Earth both have Dream in the name. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 4:19 pm Subject: Fwd: Re: WTF? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Max Amundo' >From cruggiero@s... Thu Jul 2 17:47:23 1998 >Received: from oemcomputer (hrfr-sh2-port193.snet.net [204.60.8.193]) > by smtp1 (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNET-bmx-1.1) with SMTP id UAA00641 > for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:47:20 -0400 (EDT) >Message-ID: <359C28F9.406@s...> >Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 20:42:33 -0400 >From: Carlo Ruggiero >Reply-To: cruggiero@s... >X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SNET (Win95; U) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: maxamundo@h... >Subject: TD fan who agrees with your entry on dream list >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Max, > > You are not the only one who is sick of the bitching and moaning. I >recently re-joined the list after a few months off, because I got >nothing out of it. No news or information about where to get TD stuff, >who to trade with, etc. I often wonder why I still remain on the list, >but as you said sometimes there are entries which make it worth it. > I have contacted a few people off list and they have been fine. >Unfortunately, there are many who seem to have nothing better to do than >ruin it for the rest of us. I know that everyone is entitled to their >own opinion, but sometimes it gets ridiculous with what these guys are >saying. How can they call themselves TD fans if all they do is complain >that everything since 1985 has sucked. Yet, it is these same assholes >(!) that prevent real fans from getting their hands on some rare items >that they most likely will not enjoy, but want to brag about what they >have in their collection. So believe me when I tell you that I am a >true fan of TD; I have been a fan since '85-'86; first exposure was >Rubycon, first purchase Underwater Sunlight and Poland 2LP picture disc >and my collection continues to grow. Thanks again for writing what I >have been thinking about this list for the past three weeks. > >Carlo Ruggiero >cruggiero@s... > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 4:13 pm Subject: Re: TD Guest book entry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 09:51 AM 7/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: David Datta > >The reason it was removed is pretty simple, they said they won't accept >postings related to TDI in the TD Guestbook. There is another guestbook >message that they replied to where they said this. I don't know why >everyone is complaining. TD is trying to make a separation between its right index finger and its right thumb. Well, it makes an excellent excuse to delete negative comments. Comments about TD music affect TD. It's one thing for an artist to say he won't accept comments about his label, if it's, say Geffen Records. It's quite another if he runs the label. -Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 4:34 pm Subject: Off-Topic - Congratulations to the Dutch! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' Congratulations to the Dutch contingent (Marcel, Kees, etc.): Holland played a superb game! Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 4:40 pm Subject: Re: WTF? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > Really-From: feldon@p... > > > > TD from 1990-present is a tape. I would sell my soul to travel > > back in time > > and see a 1975-1985 concert. > > > > -Morgan > > I know how you feel, Morgan. > We're just too damn young! I would do almost anything to see a > 70s, begin 80s show. Would it change your style of music? I'll build you a time machine if it does. ;-) Dano From: TheKobaian@a... Date: Tue Mar 16, 1999 7:28 am Subject: Dark Side Of The Moog VII OK, now that everything seems to be returning to normal, I'd like to comment on DSOTM VII, the latest collaboration between Klaus Schulze and Peter Namlook, with a little help from Bill Laswell. I was really impressed with this album, which is the first of the DSOTM series that I've heard. Unfortunately, it was the only Namlook item at the store. A few years back (94, maybe) I bought a copy of Alien Community I+II, another of Namlook's releases, and I enjoyed that quite a bit as well. What other recordings by Namlook should I get. In particular, where can I get some of the other DSOTM releases? May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris From: JMPoer From: 'Joe Shoults' > >hello > >is everybody comfortable with the user profiles being visible? > It's fine with me. John jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: geir.smedsrud@xxxx.xxxx.xx Date: Tue Mar 16, 1999 1:27 pm Subject: I'm here too I see we are now 25 here, Dave Datta has turned his list active again, which list will you people use? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15290 Re: I'm here too JMPoer Tue 3/16/1999 1 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Nigbur [mailto:dn3@u...] > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 8:08 AM > To: Joe Shoults > Subject: Re: new TD list > > > Do you mean to say that the TD mailing list has been shut > down completely? > > Dennis > > [...] From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung From: Sean Montgomery > > There's one piece of news to report right away, and it comes direct from > the TD web page. > > +++ 15/Mar/1999 +++ > > TD live performance at the 'KlangArt Festival' > > Tangerine Dream want to announce their performance at this year's > 'KlangArt Festival', a four- day multimedial happening of modern > contemporary music. The festival will take place from June 10th to June > 13th, 1999, in the 'Stadthalle' of Osnabrueck and various other locations > around this German town. Tangerine Dream will perform there on Saturday, > June 12th, at 9:00 PM, as the headlining act. They will play a previously > unreleased piece called 'Mars Polaris'. This is the first time since 1982 > that TD will present their audience a completely new production in > concert. > > 'Mars Polaris' will be approximately 100 minutes long. Edgar and Jerome > Froese have worked on this composition since August 1998. The journey of > NASA's spacecraft, 'Mars Polar Lander', to the red planet as well as some > still mostly unknown aspects about this most important of Earth's > neighboring planets provide the inspirational base for this musical story. > We will provide you with more details on this page soon. > > On the visual plain, there will be lots to experience during the TD- > performance - we hope that we will be able to leave all people in the > audience spellbound. The concert will be divided into two parts and the > accompanying music will be released as a double- CD. The whole piece will > see its world- debut at the KlangArt Festival. As a bonus for our fans, we > will start a competition soon. The winner will receive two plane tickets > plus hotel to this event - no matter from which part of the gobe he or she > originates. Unfortunately, we have to tell you that this concert will be > the only chance to see TD live in Europe in 1999. Due to differences > between TD and the tour agency that couldn't be overcome, we had to cancel > the tour that was planned for April and there is no time on TD's agenda > for more shows. > > Ticket and info- Hotline: > Tel: +49.541.205.1007 > E-mail: klangart@o... > > -Sean The words 'competition', 'two planes ticket plus hotel' and 'only chance to see TD live in Europe in 1999' are the summarising keywords... So any implication for concerts outside Europe? Jeffrey From: Joel Mullen Date: Tue Mar 16, 1999 3:50 pm Subject: New vs Old tadream list Hello all- Now that the old list is up and running I would just like to state that Joe and I are still intent on keeping this new list running too. We will do our best to make it an easier TD resource for us all to use. The old list will be watched and relevent information will be passed to the new one. So if you are afraid that you will miss something we are doing our best to make sure that you are not. At least in the TD news, new releases, trade list areas. Details are still being worked out and a general invitation will eventually be sent to the entire old tadream list once we get some of the problems taken care of. Now that the old list is going again there is no longer a sense of immidate urgency. Regards, Joel From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Mar 16, 1999 5:46 pm Subject: Re: Regarding Muse Top Albums Just so you know, you can go back and change your Top 10 Picks at any time. The albums that you pick are just listed alphabetically, so you're not giving extra weight to one on them by clicking on it first. The overall Top 1000 is continuously updated, and I think it's just assembled from the frequency that each of them appears in people's lists. I'm quite pleased that Tangerine Dream is now invading the Top 1000! A week ago, none of their albums appeared, and now there are 12!! Tangram 240 Logos 294 Force Majeure 317 Pergamon 360 Poland 485 Ricochet 585 Underwater Sunlight 586 White Eagle 965 LiveMiles 966 Phaedra 967 Hyperborea 968 Encore 1000 Some fine selections! Whoever wins this contest is going to get an instant TD education. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15294 Re: Regarding Muse Top Albums rzanelli@h... Wed 3/17/1999 1 KB 15295 Re: Regarding Muse Top Albums Jeffrey Au-Yeung Wed 3/17/1999 2 KB From: 'Dan J. Schulte' Date: Tue Mar 16, 1999 5:52 pm Subject: Double posting Unfortunately, there might be the problem of double posting, where someone feels they have to post the same emails to both TD lists. If this happens, we'll all be getting a hoard of unneeded mail & we'll probably be forced to unsub from one of the lists...so I would just like to request that people keep their posts on one list or the other because most of us are subbed to more than one EM list...& we have no desire to see carbons of the exact same emails on all the lists every day. Of course urgent info would be the exception. Any thoughts on this? Regards, Dano -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15289 Re: Double posting Joe Shoults Tue 3/16/1999 2 KB 15291 Re: Double posting Sean Montgomery Tue 3/16/1999 1 KB From: 'Glyn G. Morton' Date: Tue Mar 16, 1999 6:27 pm Subject: Test Hi test message Glyn http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~smorton/ggm/index.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16213 Test Daventura Sun 5/2/1999 1 KB 17115 Test Nick adams Mon 7/5/1999 1 KB 24969 Test Glenn Folkvord Sat 11/11/2000 2 KB 24971 Re: Test Neal Frost Sat 11/11/2000 2 KB 26149 Test Neal Frost Mon 2/26/2001 2 KB 32202 Test albenson Thu 2/14/2002 2 KB 33282 Test Heiko Heerssen Tue 4/9/2002 2 KB 33283 Re: Test Grant M Somerville Tue 4/9/2002 2 KB 33284 Re: Test mars103nl Tue 4/9/2002 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Tue Mar 16, 1999 6:54 pm Subject: Re: Double posting > Unfortunately, there might be the problem of double posting, > where someone feels they have to post the same emails to both TD > lists. ... > Dano ... I personally don't see a problem, as long as my delete button still works! ;-) But seriously, we'll see how things go. I certainly want to see this list thrive, but that doesn't necessarily mean I want the old list to die. People will choose what they see as benefitting them most. As I mentioned before, the features on the onelist.com site are cool, but we are also planning the expansion of the tadream site, as well, possibly to include a traders section and a links list (I just added your page, Dan), as well as possibly a site feedback/suggestions section. What I want to avoid is a dilution of list participation due to too many options. It is all about strengthening the community. -Joe From: JMPoer Date: Tue Mar 16, 1999 6:59 pm Subject: Re: I'm here too Why not both? John >From: geir.smedsrud@s... > >I see we are now 25 here, Dave Datta has turned his list active again, which list will you people use? From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Mar 16, 1999 7:41 pm Subject: Re: Double posting > I personally don't see a problem, as long as my delete button still works! > ;-) Actually, I should have used my head for a second before double-posting. Even if our delete keys *are* all functional, why wear them out pointlessly? :-) SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@v... Date: Wed Mar 17, 1999 4:06 am Subject: New List Ok, here I am.(waving my invitation) Are we going to use this list or the other since it has been restored? Am I being off-topic? Damn...oh OK, let me see...umm, I really like the beginning of Track 5 on 220 Volt....David Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15293 Re: New List Jeff Stevenson Wed 3/17/1999 2 KB From: Jeff Stevenson Date: Wed Mar 17, 1999 6:30 am Subject: Re: New List Hmm... Well, we could talk about CDR burning... Heheheh. At 04:06 AM 3/17/1999 -0000, you wrote: >From: tadream@v... > >Ok, here I am.(waving my invitation) Are we going to use this list or the other since it has been restored? Am I being off-topic? Damn...oh OK, let me see...umm, I really like the beginning of Track 5 on 220 Volt....David > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Ideas on how we can improve ONElist? >http://www.onelist.com >Check out the Suggestion Box feature on our new web site >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm >Thank you. > From: rzanelli@h... Date: Wed Mar 17, 1999 8:49 am Subject: Re: Regarding Muse Top Albums >From: Sean Montgomery > >Some fine selections! Whoever wins this contest is going to get an >instant TD education. > How about voting en masse for Electronic Meditation? We don't want to make life *too* easy for whoever wins? ;-) R From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung Date: Wed Mar 17, 1999 10:22 am Subject: Re: Regarding Muse Top Albums Sean Montgomery wrote: > From: Sean Montgomery > > Just so you know, you can go back and change your Top 10 Picks at any > time. The albums that you pick are just listed alphabetically, so you're > not giving extra weight to one on them by clicking on it first. The > overall Top 1000 is continuously updated, and I think it's just assembled > from the frequency that each of them appears in people's lists. > > I'm quite pleased that Tangerine Dream is now invading the Top 1000! A > week ago, none of their albums appeared, and now there are 12!! > > Tangram 240 > Logos 294 > Force Majeure 317 > Pergamon 360 > Poland 485 > Ricochet 585 > Underwater Sunlight 586 > White Eagle 965 > LiveMiles 966 > Phaedra 967 > Hyperborea 968 > Encore 1000 I chose Pergamon, Force Majeure and added Stratosfear among my choices. I even added Schulze's Timewind but found that nobody voted him at all. Jeffrey From: 'nick adams' From: Joel Mullen From: 'nick adams' > > Hi Guys > > I Am here as well, on digest mode at the moment though...........I > see on the onelist site that there are 2 TD lists, .? one is called the > tadream list run by joe shoults and the other is called the tangerinedream > list run by joel mullen ? or are they the same ? anyway i haved subbed to > both, > > forever dreaming > Nick > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ideas on how we can improve ONElist? > http://www.onelist.com > Check out the Suggestion Box feature on our new web site > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm > Thank you. From: 'Joe Shoults' From: AslanFan1@a... >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:40:28 EST > >NOW, for some TD content. Anybody else here disappointed that TD has broke >with tradition in releasing live albums that are no longer only new material? >I hate the thought of putting out a live release that only has short segments >of new material. Personally, I think it's great, as long as it is not 'tangentized'. Granted we have a healthy TD bootleg community going here, but it's good to get newly released older stuff from the source. The Grateful Dead (another very healthy bootleg community) started doing this a few years ago: even though many already have the bootleg versions, the 'From the Vault' series and 'Dick's Picks' series are immensely popular and of superior quality. Hopefully, TD will follow suit. For example, how cool would it be for the famous Royal Albert Hall show to be released? joe shoults From: 'Joe Shoults' I Am here as well, on digest mode at the moment > though...........I > see on the onelist site that there are 2 TD lists, .? one is called the > tadream list run by joe shoults and the other is called the tangerinedream > list run by joel mullen ? or are they the same ? anyway i haved > subbed to > both, > Joel and I are moderators on the tadream@o..., and he is owner of tangerinedream@o... He and I discussed the possibility of opening multiple lists, but we decided against it, as we think it would dilute participation. I think he is removing tangerinedream@o... and moving over any non-repetitious members, but I'm not 100% sure (joel?). -joe From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: AslanFan1@a... [mailto:AslanFan1@a...] > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 10:47 AM > To: joes@c... > Subject: Re: Invitation to join tadream@o... > > > How is this list different from the one I am currently subscribed to? > Look at the footer of any message from the old tadream list. The list owner of the old tadream list does not even read or participate in the list. He has had to step in and chastise the group recently, and on occasions in the past, but only when members notify him of the shenanigans (had to use that word since it's St. Patty's Day!). That is why the off-topic garbage gets out of hand. This new list at tadream@o... is moderated by people who are *active* on the list and really care. And in case you are worried about power-mad moderators, don't fret! We are not what I would call 'OT Nazis'- we advocate self-policing- but we are HERE in case things start getting crazy. It won't take a week (or more!) of trudging through personal attacks, flame wars, and off-topic impertinent sexual discussions to get back on topic. In addition, there are some cool features to being a onelist member. Procedurally, once you register as a onelist user, you then subscribe to tadream. But you also have a multitude of other lists at your fingertips. List members now have easier access to new and simple browser-based features that are more readily accessible than on the old list, including being able to: * view archives through your browser (no need to waste your disk space!), * Post Messages through your browser, * add Bookmarks (a compendium of website links submitted by group members), * view member's profiles, and * very easily change/configure your subscriptions and settings. Or you can simply use it in the traditional way, via e-mail. If anything is confusing, or you have e-mail but no browser, let me know and I can subscribe you personally. I noticed that there is a new thread on the old list that asks where people are from. This info is already available with the new list, as members have the choice to include any aspect of their personal profiles that they want- or remain completely private. Ultimately, people will choose what benefits them the most. I personally see more individual USAGE benefits to members in the new list, but for now, there is still better VOLUME in the old list, primarily due to the numbers. There are 381 members in the old list, and 51 in the new list, after only 2 days. That tells me that people DO want an alternative, but it will take a little time for the rest to see the benefits and cross over. The people that have joined so far happen to be the most active folks from the old list. You can see a list of everybody that has joined, and their profiles, once you have registered at onelist.com. Also, I 'listed' the list with several major list lists (haha), so we should attract brand new members. If anyone out there can help by listing us with major search engines, please go ahead and do it (and let me know). Finally, as list owner, I feel kinda funny sending this missive to the old list, like I am surreptitiously taking something away from Dave Datta (the old list owner) so I won't (although he probably wouldn't know). We all owe a debt of gratitude to Dave for hosting the old list, but with the new list, our intentions are to improve the sense of community here, as well as member's options and benefits. If anyone here encourages old list members to cross over, that is their individual choice. Also, I don't know how likely this is, but we are lobbying TD themselves for recognition, since the old list was banned from the TD website. We don't intend to make it an obsequious 'ass-kissing' site or list, but we'll see how it goes... OK, I'll shut up now. Does this answer your question adequately? By the way: apologies to those who have already joined but received the invite. -joe From: Jeff Stevenson From: Joel Mullen > >Nick and others- > tadream is the only onelist site that we are currently running. >I formed tangerinedream at the same time Joe was forming the tadream >onelist (actually a 1/2 day later or so) I have not taken the time to >delete the *extra* list yet. I may just keep it for the name for now. I >hope that clears up any confusion. Joe and I are working together on >the new tadream list. However right now he is doing most of it! > >Joel > >On Wednesday, March 17, 1999 5:04 AM, nick adams [SMTP:nicad@c...] >wrote: >> From: 'nick adams' >> >> Hi Guys >> >> I Am here as well, on digest mode at the moment >though...........I >> see on the onelist site that there are 2 TD lists, .? one is called the >> tadream list run by joe shoults and the other is called the >tangerinedream >> list run by joel mullen ? or are they the same ? anyway i haved subbed >to >> both, >> >> forever dreaming >> Nick >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Ideas on how we can improve ONElist? >> http://www.onelist.com >> Check out the Suggestion Box feature on our new web site >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option, and >appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream >website at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm >> Thank you. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >We are proud as punch of our new web site! >http://www.onelist.com >Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm >Thank you. > From: 'Joe Shoults' From: 'Jim Moore' From: 'Joe Shoults' From: Joel Mullen From: Joel Mullen Joel and I are moderators on the tadream@o..., and he is owner of > tangerinedream@o... He and I discussed the possibility of opening > multiple lists, but we decided against it, as we think it would dilute > participation. I think he is removing tangerinedream@o... and moving > over any non-repetitious members, but I'm not 100% sure (joel?). So far everyone that has subbed to the tangerinedream list subbed to the tadream list at the same time. I will be letting them know that it is not neccesary to sub to tangerinedream at all. However I might hold onto the name for a while in case we need it. Or because I am too lazy to do anything about it ;-) Just kidding. It might be better if I did get rid of it as it might just cause confusion. As it already has... Joel From: Joel Mullen From: Joel Mullen From: 'Joe Shoults' > > anybody got any good stories about 'turning people on' to TD? > The women in our neighborhood go walking 4-5 miles every day (yes a lot of tight buns around here) and one of them was describing what type of relaxing music she wanted to find and my wife said that it sounds like Tangerine Dream. So I lent her my Grammy Block. She liked it and taped it. That bootlegger! Joel From: Joel Mullen From: Jeff Stevenson > > There is also a tadreamofftopic group. Yes there is. If anyone wants to talk trash go over there. Irreverence is welcomed with open arms at tadreamofftopic. Sub at your own risk ;-) Joel From: 'Dan J. Schulte' From: Joel Mullen > Yes there is. If anyone wants to talk trash go over there. Irreverence > is welcomed with open arms at tadreamofftopic. Sub at your own risk ;-) Yes, there we talk about Star Wars, what happened to the Cranberries, what the rainbow really symbolizes, the latest VH1 behind the music, why iggy pop is still alive, as well as other topics I can't mention here. The traffic is light, so sub away. You never know when you might wanna continue a discussion here that has nothing to do with the Tangs. ;-) Dano -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: 'Dan J. Schulte' Date: Thu Mar 18, 1999 6:11 am Subject: Re: discovering kindred spirits Joel Mullen wrote: > > > I work in outside sales for an industrial supply company. From time > to time we have to travel with *factory people* from our suppliers. I was picking > up 2 guys from their hotel to go to a customer and one of them says 'Is that > Tangerine Dream?' as Dream Sequence was playing in my car. We had an > all-too short conversation about TD (mostly soundtrack stuff) before we got to > where we were going. TD is weird that way. People don't feel the same connection > when they hear Garth Brooks.... > Yeah, Eli does when he listens to Brandy. ;-p Dano -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: 'Glyn G. Morton' Date: Thu Mar 18, 1999 7:10 am Subject: Where`s .......... Hi there noticed that a 'where do we live' thread is on the go on . Well for info I`m originally from Liverpool England, but now live in Southern Ireland. I was wondering though, has there ever been any efforts to trace all the copies of the Limited World Tour Edition 1997 or the Shepherds Bush CD? I suppose the same for the TDI edition of The Keep. Also has anyone the complete list, or where can I find it of all the past members and contributors to Tangerine Dream`s recordings/live performance. Cheers Glyn http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~smorton/ggm/index.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15315 Re: Where`s .......... Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Thu 3/18/1999 2 KB 15320 Re: Where`s .......... Marcelo Gutierrez Thu 3/18/1999 1 KB 15322 Re: Where`s .......... Plumer, Scott Thu 3/18/1999 1 KB 15326 Re: Where`s .......... Glyn G. Morton Thu 3/18/1999 1 KB 15346 Re: Where`s .......... Joe Shoults Fri 3/19/1999 1 KB 15349 Re: Where`s .......... Marcelo Gutierrez Fri 3/19/1999 1 KB From: 'Kevin Jowers' Date: Thu Mar 18, 1999 7:33 am Subject: Newest Member I'm curious as to how many of us are here?? Let's start living the DREAM!!! Kevin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15316 Re: Newest Member Joe Shoults Thu 3/18/1999 1 KB From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Date: Thu Mar 18, 1999 8:44 am Subject: Re: discovering kindred spirits >From: Joel Mullen >TD is weird that way. People don't feel the same connection >when they hear Garth Brooks.... > You're right. I've mentioned to someone before that if you see someone wearing a TD shirt in the street, you go up and talk to him/her. If you saw someone wearing an Oasis (the group) T-shirt, you wouldn't. Not because you don't like Oasis (the group), but because there are so many of them you wouldn't have the same bonding as you do with TD. ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Date: Thu Mar 18, 1999 8:48 am Subject: Re: Where`s .......... >From: 'Glyn G. Morton' > >I was >wondering though, has there ever been any efforts to trace all the copies of >the Limited World Tour Edition 1997 or the Shepherds Bush CD? I suppose the >same for the TDI edition of The Keep. That sounds like quite a challenge. You could certainly start it here (and on the other lists), but with 1000 Shepherd's Bush CDs and 5000 WTE CDs, I dont know how you'd complete the listing. I have one of each so if you want numbers and details, let me know. ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Joe Shoults' > From: 'Kevin Jowers' > > I'm curious as to how many of us are here?? > > Let's start living the DREAM!!! > > Kevin > From: 'Plumer, Scott' It is really neat running into other EM and TD fans by accident. Last night >I went to the airport to pick up an instructor I contracted to teach a class >for me. I was playing TD Cleveland '86 show in the car and in the middle of >our conversation, he asked me, 'Is that Klaus Schulze you're playing?' I >just laughed and knew I liked the guy already. Turns out he's into Ozric, >Ashram, and the rest. Speaking of which, I always wished that TD sold stickers for one's car. Deadhead, Phish Phans, Nine Inch Nailers all have stickers, how come Dreamers don't? I'd really like to get one of those black-on-white, oval, European country letter stickers (D for Germany, etc.) with the letters 'TD.' I saw Phish last fall, and it's amazing how many home-grown Phish sticker there are. What's it take to make stickers? Maybe I'll make some. If TD ever tours the states again, I'll sell them to finance touring with them. :-) Scott From: 'Plumer, Scott' anybody got any good stories about 'turning people on' to TD? I wonder if I'lll become the ScubaChris of this list? :-) I have four stories: First, my 10th-grade English teacher saw I was wearing a TD button. She asked me what is was, I told her, and she said they sound interesting and asked me to tape some stuff for her. I did, she said she liked it and was going to get more. I think I taped Exit and Thief for her. Second, I was the 'engineer' for morning announcements in high school. The announcements would be lead into by music, have music playing in the background, and concluded with music. You can guess who was heavily featured! Several people asked me who it was, and most of them seemed interested. Third, when I went away to college (Ohio University, class of '90), my brother gave me some great advice: to meet people, put on some of your favorite tunes, open your dorm door, and just wait. I did that, and met a number of people that way who seemed interested in TD. One of them I married! Fourth, a few months ago, I was trading Phish tapes with some dude from Indiana. He saw what a large list of TD tapes I had, and asked me about them. (He'd never heard of them) I made him a tape of Montreal '77, and he loved them! I also wrote a short biography for him. I just hope he hears more '70s era first, before he listens to the '90s stuff! I have a couple other stories, but I'll shut up for now. Scott From: rzanelli@xxxx.xx.xx Date: Thu Mar 18, 1999 1:36 pm Subject: Stickers (was: discovering kindred spirits) >From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Speaking of which, I always wished that TD sold stickers for one's car. Deadhead, Phish Phans, Nine Inch >Nailers all have stickers, how come Dreamers don't? I'd really like to get one of those black-on-white, >oval, European country letter stickers (D for Germany, etc.) with the letters 'TD.' I saw Phish last >fall, and it's amazing how many home-grown Phish sticker there are. What's it take to make stickers? >Maybe I'll make some. If TD ever tours the states again, I'll sell them to finance touring with them. >:-) > How about organizing a 'sticker tree' ??? R From: Marcelo Gutierrez From: Glyn G. Morton > To: Tadream ; Tadream List > Subject: [tadream] Where`s .......... > Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 2:10 AM > > From: 'Glyn G. Morton' > > Hi there > > I was wondering though, has there ever been any efforts to trace all the copies of > the Limited World Tour Edition 1997 or the Shepherds Bush CD? I do not know how many were actually printed of the Limited Tour edition but my copy says 561 or so (I am not sure of the actual number) of 1000. Marcelo From: 'Plumer, Scott' I've finally to hear a piece of this (thanks, Herr Rutka!), and if the rest >of the piece is as good as this segment, then that was one incredible >song... Any word on the complete piece showing up yet? Jimbo, did I miss something? How'd you get to hear this? Scott From: 'Plumer, Scott' wondering though, has there ever been any efforts to trace all the copies of >the Limited World Tour Edition 1997 or the Shepherds Bush CD? I suppose the >same for the TDI edition of The Keep. Also has anyone the complete list, or >where can I find it of all the past members and contributors to Tangerine >Dream`s recordings/live performance. The copies that were sold at the shows were probably payed for in cash, so there would be no way of tracing those. LWTE and Shep I got through CDNow, and the Keep I got from either Lawry Simm or Dennis Nigbur, I forget which. Scott From: 'tom george' From: 'Hassinen Ami' From: Joel Mullen From: 'Glyn G. Morton' >wondering though, has there ever been any efforts to trace all the copies of >>the Limited World Tour Edition 1997 or the Shepherds Bush CD? I suppose the >>same for the TDI edition of The Keep. > >That sounds like quite a challenge. You could certainly start it here (and on >the other lists), but with 1000 Shepherd's Bush CDs and 5000 WTE CDs, I dont >know how you'd complete the listing. > >I have one of each so if you want numbers and details, let me know. HiCraig and all I suppose if I thought everyone with a copy would have access to Tadream or Tadream@o... then I`d have a go. But that`s probably where it would fall on it`s pants. So never mind. From: 'Plumer, Scott' Quite interesting to see that majority of those list members who did state >their age for the 'profile' seem to be in their early thirties...me too! Was >there a lot of sun spot activity in mid 60´s or what??? ;-) It's called 'The Summer of Love.' :-) Scott From: 'Plumer, Scott' I would like to particpate in the *sticker tree* but I do not >have adhesive capabilities. I would be willing to send 2 >sheets of blank paper for one sticker plus a stamp for >postage. Hey, let's not jump the gun here! I don't even know how to make the damn things yet! When and if I do, you guys will be the first to know. Of course, ideas are always welcome. Scott From: Sean Montgomery anybody got any good stories about 'turning people on' to TD? I used to be a TD proselytizer in high school. I made mix tapes for friends, complete with custom-made labels. I inserted the band's name into daily conversations. I wore their T-shirts, and inserted their logo in graphic design work I did for the school. But my efforts were to be mostly unrewarded. While some of my friends thought their stuff was okay, I never made a fan out of anybody. In time though, I came to see this as a benefit. Liking TD meant that I had a band to call my own. They weren't being thrust down my throat by the dark forces of the global music industry. I could listen to them on my own terms. Ultimately, I think that the band's music truly appeals to a rather small group of people. But in the end, these people somehow manage to find out about TD, and experience the 'aha!' that comes from hearing music that speaks to you. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Joel Mullen From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >I would like to particpate in the *sticker tree* but I do not > >have adhesive capabilities. I would be willing to send 2 > >sheets of blank paper for one sticker plus a stamp for > >postage. > > Hey, let's not jump the gun here! I don't even know how to make the damn > things yet! When and if I do, you guys will be the first to know. Of course, > ideas are always welcome. > > Scott > Geeezz Scott I was just kidding around. *<|:-) You know? Plug in 'CD-R' for 'sticker', 'burning' for 'adhesive' and you have the typical post regarding a new project. Add in my cheap-ass offer of 2 blank sheets of paper and you have a joke. I only wished I had complained that I did not have access to one-sided glossy paper and I needed a URL of the best on-line supplier. So no pressure, just having a little fun! Regards, Joel :-) From: 'Joe Shoults' >Quite interesting to see that majority of those list members who > did state > >their age for the 'profile' seem to be in their early thirties...me too! > Was > >there a lot of sun spot activity in mid 60´s or what??? ;-) I think it simply has a lot to do with the demographics of who's online. If Phaedra made the UK top 10, those people have to still be around _somewhere_, don't they? I'm 32, was 7 when Phaedra came out, and not a TD consumer then. So, who was buying it? Our parents and people who are in their mid-40's now- who were probably in college then. Either these people have better things to do than waste time in fan listservs (like us Gen-X slackers), or they have forgotten about TD. ...or they are the paranoid technophobic types who think that if they reveal their age in the profile, some hacker punk will swoop down and wipe out their bank account or something. ;-) -joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15343 Re: ages of list members (was 'wants-list') Gerry Fox Fri 3/19/1999 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' > >I would like to particpate in the *sticker tree* but I do not > > >have adhesive capabilities. I would be willing to send 2 > > >sheets of blank paper for one sticker plus a stamp for > > >postage. > > > > Hey, let's not jump the gun here! I don't even know how to make the damn > > things yet! When and if I do, you guys will be the first to > know. Of course, > > ideas are always welcome. > > > > Scott > > Geeezz Scott I was just kidding around. *<|:-) You know? Plug > in 'CD-R' for 'sticker', > 'burning' for 'adhesive' and you have the typical post regarding > a new project. Add > in my cheap-ass offer of 2 blank sheets of paper and you have a > joke. I only wished > I had complained that I did not have access to one-sided glossy > paper and I needed > a URL of the best on-line supplier. So no pressure, just having > a little fun! > > Regards, > > Joel > > :-) From: 'tom george' their mid-40's now- who were probably in college then. Either these people >have better things to do than waste time in fan listservs (like us Gen-X >slackers), or they have forgotten about TD. > >...or they are the paranoid technophobic types who think that if they reveal >their age in the profile, some hacker punk will swoop down and wipe out >their bank account or something. ;-) now now easy Joe.... i am 47 years old and was 18 or 19 when 'Electronic Meditation' came out. i was in the army in Frankfurt Germany at the time and yes i bought it. i also bought everything else they have come out with since. by the way; i still listen to it (E.M.) and like it. i am not afraid of anyone coming down on my bank account cause i make sure it stays depleted all the time. anyway i must have missed the profile thing. anymore old fogeys out there? tom NP-Modeski, Martin & Wood-'Combustication' Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: Frederic Yargui > > I would like to particpate in the *sticker tree* but I do not > have adhesive capabilities. I would be willing to send 2 > sheets of blank paper for one sticker plus a stamp for > postage. > > I am sorry if this posting is coming late, but I missed > the STK-R tree sign-up. > > PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!! > > ;-) From: 'Plumer, Scott' Can anyone explain this story? I've missed the train too... BTW I have a software with such printing capabilities... many sorts of stickers are possible Fred From: Joel Mullen > > I would like to particpate in the *sticker tree* but I do not > have adhesive capabilities. I would be willing to send 2 > sheets of blank paper for one sticker plus a stamp for > postage. > > I am sorry if this posting is coming late, but I missed > the STK-R tree sign-up. > > PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!! > > ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If you like orange and blue, then you will love our new web site! http://www.onelist.com Onelist: Fostering connections and information exchange ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm Thank you. From: JMPoer From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>anybody got any good stories about 'turning people on' to TD? Back in the mid 70's, right after Ricochet came out, I was running a crew setting up a truly awesome sound system in a campus theatre. It was nearly 2:00am when we were finished rigging and started testing. The theatre was 'on campus' and nowhere near where anyone lived so we put on a tape of Ricochet and really leaned HARD on the amps (you never know which one might be waiting to fail, do you :-) ). The sound was just flat AWE inspiring! Hypnotic. We didn't want to turn it off. I'm not sure we COULD have turned it off. Then we realized that people were drifting in from the outside (the stage had huge loading doors at the back and all the doors were open to the street). By the time the tape ran out we had 25 or 30 people in the audience....just sitting there with their mouths open. When the music stopped they all just sort of walked out stunned....sort of like after an accident. Three guys in lab coats (chem lab next to the theatre) stopped and asked who the music was from. I don't know if we converted anyone or not, but we sure as hell got some attention. John jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: 'Dan J. Schulte' From: Frederic Yargui From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > Actually, Fred it was a joke, but based on a real idea. The idea was to make > up for the lack of merchadising by TD by making our own stuff. I thought of > stickers first, after seeing all the home-made stickers on VW vans at a > Phish concert last summer. > > Scott > > Yes, I understood it but a bit late (as usual, time for impulse to get to the brain :-) What size would be the stickers? What quality (ordinary, photo?) We do not have only 80min cdrs here in France. Wa also have many many manufacturers of miscellaneous papers... So, will the stickers-dream come true (up to a tree) hihihaha a *good* joke... Cheers, Fred From: PENFOLD At 09:29 AM 3/18/1999 -0500, you wrote: >>From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>>anybody got any good stories about 'turning people on' to TD? I was spinning the title track from _Green_Desert_ whilst working the board at the radio station (unlicensed) Frequency Publica at the 1997 Burning Man Festival A bald gentleman with the apt moniker of Egg (I found out later that he's from the LA area as am I) wandered by the station (it's open air) and was drawn in by the music. He inquired as to the group and was quite taken aback when he found out it was TD and was even further taken aback when I answered his question as to when it was recorded. Another TD/Burning Man incident was at the last brunch in our village, the Blue Light District 2.0 (aka Burning Man 1998) we had one of our villan's DJ-ing. I was behind her making some decorative cheap-ass blue mushrooms (the Blue Mushroom's the symbol of our village) and she mentioned that she like the Orb, but hadn't heard the TD/Orb CD. Since I had dragged out almost my entire collection of TD out to Burning Man, I lent her the CD to spin. Her comment after playing it was that it was 'Nice refreshing and juicy' I hope to convert more people to TD @ the '99 Burn. If you happen to be at the '99 Burn, look me up in the Blue Light District 3.0 (My wife and I are the Postmen of the Playa, not the Disgruntled Postal Workers) or tune into Frequency Publica (late night, that's usually when I DJ) and say 'HI' DJ Dreamhead Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... http://www.artnet.net/~penfold/dev/null/youwatcha-u-see404.html 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. From: Jens Peschke From: 'Dan J. Schulte' From: Jens Peschke > > Hi folks, > > as to all these suggestions for the sampler, I think > Joel and the contributers should be the only people voting > for the title. Or just Joel, if there's no 'dream' in it, > it's fine by me. ;-) Oh yeah, no kidding. Let's face it, all the decent euphemisms have been taken. Why doesn't anyone use the Tangerine part?? In any case, anything without a reference to either word would be much more creative, IMO. > > Oh, yes. Of course, this list is the only td list I'm subscribed too. > Why ? We've list admins who care. ;-) Me too...I unsubbed from tadream today. 'Farewell and adieu to you fair spanish ladies, farewell and adieu to you ladies of Spaaaaain.' Now perhaps since I'm on this list certain people will navigate to the 'other' list or avoid this one like the plague...which would suit me (& others) wonderfully. ;-) > Dano -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: 'Kevin Jowers' From: 'Gerry Fox' I think it simply has a lot to do with the demographics of who's online. If >Phaedra made the UK top 10, those people have to still be around >_somewhere_, don't they? I'm 32, was 7 when Phaedra came out, and not a TD >consumer then. So, who was buying it? I was I have just turned 46 and must have been 20/ 21 when Phaedra came out - I've bought every album since. Now I am avidly collecting bootlegs and CDRs - and making them. I hope this list can be as productive in sourcing material for trees as the other list; I'm staying on both to cover all the bases. Gerry >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Come check out our brand new web site! >http://www.onelist.com >Onelist: Making the Internet intimate >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm >Thank you. > From: 'nick adams' anyway i must have missed the profile >thing. anymore old fogeys out there? tom Well I am 39 in 2 weeks time, does that class me as an old fogey, :-) i hope not, i didn't buy phaedra when it first come out, but i did Ricochet that was because i heard it on the radio, and thought man that is superb, i went straight out and baught both Ricochet & Rubycon, then a couple of weeks later baught phaedra. Regarding the profile bit when you sign up, it was nothing to do with paranoia, it was down to time, i intend to go back when i have more of it and fill that bit in, if you can that is. ( i think i put my name in and that was all.) Regards Nick Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15378 Re: ages of list members JMPoer Fri 3/19/1999 1 KB From: 'nick adams' wet scuba dreams?). HAHAHAhaha...........that made me howl, i vote for that one. Nick NP..Phaedra From: 'Joe Shoults' > I was wondering though, has there ever been any efforts to > trace all the copies of > > the Limited World Tour Edition 1997 or the Shepherds Bush CD? if somebody out there is willing to write the script, I'll put it on the listserve homepage, then people could 'register' their copies at the site to keep track of them. Contact me off-list. Are they numbered? -joe From: 'Joe Shoults' Oh, yes. Of course, this list is the only td list I'm subscribed too. > Why ? We've list admins who care. ;-) > > Maybe someone (Joe or Joel ?) finally sets up a list_web_page > with member mugshots, compilation details (incl. mpeg bits), > reviews, td related stories like 'we nerds having fun at Osnabrueck > until we were running out of beer', poll results and other bobs. Thanks for the suggestion, Jens! While the onlelist profiles section has no utility for this (I'll make the suggestion), I certainly can do it on our site at http://www.members.theglobe/joe532/tadream.htm. I just put up Rainer's pic. If you would like a link to your site and/or a pic posted, just e-mail them to me at joes@c... Limit pic size to 100x100. > Mark Fonda did that quite sucessfully for his e-prog mailing list. what's the URL? > The onelist shared folders could be used for bigger files > (sounds and piccies) or even the whole site. The onelist shared folders section is only 5 megs, and is not protected. I actually wanted to ask you folks for your suggestions on what to do with this space. I can't really put the site there, becasue anyone could delete it (correct me if I'm wrong). Suggestions? -joe From: 'Plumer, Scott' The onelist shared folders section is only 5 megs, and is not protected. I >actually wanted to ask you folks for your suggestions on what to do with >this space. I can't really put the site there, becasue anyone could delete >it (correct me if I'm wrong). Suggestions? Geocities. Scott From: Marcelo Gutierrez if somebody out there is willing to write the script, I'll put it on the > listserve homepage, then people could 'register' their copies at the site to > keep track of them. Contact me off-list. > Are they numbered? > Yes, they are, they have stamped on the back something like '#### of 5000' Marcelo From: rzanelli@xxxx.xx.xx Date: Fri Mar 19, 1999 1:29 pm Subject: Re: ages of list members (was 'wants-list') >From: 'Joe Shoults' > >...or they are the paranoid technophobic types who think that if they reveal their age in the profile, >some hacker punk will swoop down and wipe out their bank account or something. ;-) > ...or they are the paranoid technophobic types who think computers are evil (eg. my father...) How can one like TD and still be technophobic...??? R From: Jens Peschke From: 'Joe Shoults' > site at http://www.members.theglobe/joe532/tadream.htm. I just put > up Rainer's pic. If you would like a link to your site and/or a > pic posted, just e-mail them to me at joes@c... Limit pic > size to 100x100. Will do soon. > > Mark Fonda did that quite sucessfully for his e-prog mailing list. > > what's the URL? http://www.geocities.com/~e-prog/ > The onelist shared folders section is only 5 megs, and is not > protected. I > actually wanted to ask you folks for your suggestions on what to do > with this space. I can't really put the site there, becasue anyone > could delete it (correct me if I'm wrong). Suggestions? As Scott said: http://www.geocities.com, they are limited to 11 MB, though. ;-) Regards Jens --- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net From: Jens Peschke From: 'Joe Shoults' > site at http://www.members.theglobe/joe532/tadream.htm. I just put > up Rainer's pic. If you would like a link to your site and/or a > pic posted, just e-mail them to me at joes@c... Limit pic > size to 100x100. Will do soon. > > Mark Fonda did that quite sucessfully for his e-prog mailing list. > > what's the URL? http://www.geocities.com/~e-prog/ > The onelist shared folders section is only 5 megs, and is not > protected. I > actually wanted to ask you folks for your suggestions on what to do > with this space. I can't really put the site there, becasue anyone > could delete it (correct me if I'm wrong). Suggestions? As Scott said: http://www.geocities.com, they are limited to 11 MB, though. ;-) Regards Jens --- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net From: 'Plumer, Scott' As Scott said: http://www.geocities.com, they are limited to 11 MB, >though. I think they're up to 20MB. That's where I have my pages. Scott From: Stephen Yensen From: Jens Peschke From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >As Scott said: http://www.geocities.com, they are limited to 11 MB, > >though. > > I think they're up to 20MB. That's where I have my pages. Could be. I lost track when they have been expanded from 7 to 11 MB. But they are just too darn slow for bigger mpeg files, everthing less than 500 kB works fine, though. Regs Jens --- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net From: 'Joe Shoults' From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@c...] > Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 10:41 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: TEST to check for attachments > > > TEST > > I am attaching a text file containing only the word 'test', to > verify that onelist does not forward attachments to the list > members. I have no idea if this is true or not, but if it > doesn't, we will never have to worry about all that happy99 virus > type of stuff... > > -joe From: XxphyIeX@xxx.xxx Date: Fri Mar 19, 1999 3:48 pm Subject: Re: TEST to check for attachments In a message dated 3/19/99 10:44:56 AM EST, joes@c... writes: << File: test.txt (4 bytes) DL Time (38400 bps): < 1 minute TEST I am attaching a text file containing only the word 'test', to verify that onelist does not forward attachments to the list members. I have no idea if this is true or not, but if it doesn't, we will never have to worry about all that happy99 virus type of stuff... >> yes indeed the sending files to the list does work... but if someone signs on as a digest recipient he will not ever need to worry about such a thing again... u can set up the list or fix it so that files can not be uploaded to others on the list i believe... im trying to create another list myself.. on onelist but i am having a problem.. i keep getting the error.. An Error Has Occured There was a problem with the database. Please try again later. i have been getting this error for 2 days now... any suggestions? i hope it is them and not me... From: Joel Mullen As Scott said: http://www.geocities.com, they are limited to 11 MB, > though. > ;-) > > Regards > > Jens actually 12 MB and for $5 a month or so they don't have pop-up windows and you get 25MB. Joel From: Jeff Stevenson From: 'Kevin Jowers' Well since this is a truly on topic list, thought I'd float an idea. > >How much interest would there be out there to organize a CDR tree to >distribute boots? I know this was floated a year or two ago, but got >lukewarm interest. I know that my collection has a lot of holes in it that >I'd really like to fill and it is sometimes something of a pain to track >down people to trade with. I for one would be interested IF it was only CDR. The reason I didn't participate in the 'other' tree was the # of generations you lost before you got your copy on analog tape. >np: Bourbon Street Atari Party....nice boot. Very clean recording of the >'88 OR tour. Thanks Jeff!!! From: 'Plumer, Scott' Well since this is a truly on topic list, thought I'd float an idea. How much interest would there be out there to organize a CDR tree to distribute boots? I know this was floated a year or two ago, but got lukewarm interest. I know that my collection has a lot of holes in it that I'd really like to fill and it is sometimes something of a pain to track down people to trade with. Any interest now? Jeff np: Bourbon Street Atari Party....nice boot. Very clean recording of the '88 OR tour. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Did you know that we have over 85,000 e-mail communities at Onelist? http://www.onelist.com Come visit our new web site and explore a new interest ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm Thank you. From: 'Kevin Jowers' From: 'Joe Shoults' How much interest would there be out there to organize a CDR tree to > distribute boots? I know this was floated a year or two ago, but got > lukewarm interest. I know that my collection has a lot of holes > in it that > I'd really like to fill and it is sometimes something of a pain to track > down people to trade with. > > Any interest now? > > Jeff I could only be a leaf at this point, but I'm interested. -joe From: XxphyIeX@xxx.xxx Date: Fri Mar 19, 1999 4:40 pm Subject: Re: Tree im interested in getting some shows on cdr.. altho i dont have the ability to make cdrs and i dont have any boots yet on cd of anyone.. i have some on tape but currently im not able to copy even my tapes... however.. i do have some videos that i can offer in trade to anyone interested in that... i have 3 td videos.. and 3000 others... if anyone is interested in trading videos for videos or cdrs of high quality boot cds.. for videos.. im game... if anyone is interested in my video list.. please email me at xxphyiex@a... and ask me for my video list. note.. i will sell my videos.. also... but i always prefer to trade for videos that i dont have.. and since i have never even seen a cdr.. im very interested in these as well... and talk about holes in a collection... i have a nice collection of td albums and cds.. but the holes in it are as big as the grand canyon... From: gary allen From: Jeff Stevenson > > Well since this is a truly on topic list, thought I'd float an idea. > > How much interest would there be out there to organize a CDR tree to > distribute boots? I know this was floated a year or two ago, but got > lukewarm interest. I know that my collection has a lot of holes in it that > I'd really like to fill and it is sometimes something of a pain to track > down people to trade with. > > Any interest now? > > Jeff > > np: Bourbon Street Atari Party....nice boot. Very clean recording of the > '88 OR tour. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Did you know that we have over 85,000 e-mail communities at Onelist? > http://www.onelist.com > Come visit our new web site and explore a new interest > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm > Thank you. From: xxphyiex@xxx.xxx Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Invitation to join concerts_on_vhs@o... Hello, I would like to invite you to join the concerts_on_vhs mailing list. The description of this mailing list is: ---thanks for joining my list. i know one of u was on my other list but i had a problem with that one and it was unresolvable so now i have a new list and this is the welcome message.. help spread the word.. i am not able to get a list of the names that were on my first list to let all 50 of the people on that one know about the new one. messages sent to the old list will never appear and u will never get mail from that list. since it was a moderated list and i am unable to moderate it any longer so this is the welcome message. Please take a moment to read this message. if u want to send a message to the list--address it to: concerts_on_vhs@o... and please change the subject line accordingly. i know i tend to delete mail that doesnt have a subject line that interests me and with all the junk mail we are all getting it sure makes it easier to know what the mail will be about before opening it. i personally can only read .txt files and .wri files but please if u wish to send a file You can join this list by going to the following web page: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/concerts_on_vhs If you do not wish to join this list, please ignore this message. Thanks, xxphyiex@a... List Owner From: 'Joe Shoults' I can't really put the site there, becasue anyone > could delete > >it (correct me if I'm wrong). Suggestions? > Geocities. > Scott I was wrong. You cannot delete each other's files from the Shared section. So, consider this our 'community bookshelf'. If space becomes a problem, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it (maybe monthly purge). As for the tadream site, it is safe in theglobe account (very similar to geocities). But my webmaster has said he would help by hosting it here (I work at an internet development firm), I'll still have to cough up the $70, if I want to register it as tadream.org, but for now, it can be tadream.copfer.com. much simpler, and I have access to http server extensions that will enhance functionality. I'll kepp you all posted. -joe From: Joel Mullen From: 'Hassinen Ami' From: 'Glyn G. Morton' From: Jeff Stevenson > >Well since this is a truly on topic list, thought I'd float an idea. > >How much interest would there be out there to organize a CDR tree to >distribute boots? I know this was floated a year or two ago, but got >lukewarm interest. I know that my collection has a lot of holes in it that >I'd really like to fill and it is sometimes something of a pain to track >down people to trade with. > >Any interest now? > > Jeff > >np: Bourbon Street Atari Party....nice boot. Very clean recording of the >'88 OR tour. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Did you know that we have over 85,000 e-mail communities at Onelist? >http://www.onelist.com >Come visit our new web site and explore a new interest >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm >Thank you. > From: 'Jens Peschke' Count me in. Glyn and others, do us a favour and don't include all of the posting you're responding to. Look at what is attached on each e-mail !!!!! Thank you for listening Regards Jens From: 'Dan J. Schulte' From: 'Jens Peschke' > > > Count me in. > > Glyn and others, do us a favour and don't include all of the posting > you're responding to. > > Look at what is attached on each e-mail !!!!! > > Thank you for listening Yeeehahahaha!! Dano np: Picko's Nemesis....A fraggin stonker! -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: 'Dan J. Schulte' From: 'Hassinen Ami' > > sorry for the off-topic introduction, but if you´re able to hear the German > Radio program 'Electrobeats' you should tune in at 3.00-4.00 AM next Monday! > Then you´ll hear a track by me (Nemesis: 'Return of the Neuronengesang') > What the hell is a neuronengesang? Just curious, heh. Dano -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: 'Dan J. Schulte' From: Jens Peschke > > > From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > > >As Scott said: http://www.geocities.com, they are limited to 11 MB, > > >though. > > > > I think they're up to 20MB. That's where I have my pages. > > Could be. I lost track when they have been expanded from 7 to 11 MB. > But they are just too darn slow for bigger mpeg files, everthing > less than 500 kB works fine, though. He's right, they putz along...but just make more html page links & you'll keep it moving. They are up to 11 MB as far as I know...at least on my page they are. Dan -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: KMu9978842@xxx.xxx Date: Fri Mar 19, 1999 6:46 pm Subject: Re: Tree Greetings from Hamburg ! I'm afraid I dont have anything to trade (at present), but I'd be very interested in helping out with copying and forwarding on to others on the list here in Germany. By the way, are you all planning to meet up in Osnabruek in June ? Kelvin From: JMPoer From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > >What the hell is a neuronengesang? Just curious, heh. > >Dano Just guessing, but what's left of my German suggests that it means 'Mind Singing' or 'Brain Song' or something like that. John jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: JMPoer From: 'nick adams' >>thing. anymore old fogeys out there? tom > I'm a couple of months from 59. Do I win? John jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: JMPoer From: Jeff Stevenson >down people to trade with. > >Any interest now? > > Jeff > I would be interested in a tree. I'm trying to get the cash to buy a CDR burner now (still no color printer). If I DO get one I would try to be a branch, otherwise I'll just have to be a leaf. Thanks. John jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: Marcelo Gutierrez From: 'Glyn G. Morton' > > > Count me in. > > Glyn > > > Me too. Marcelo From: JMPoer From: 'Thomas Bertilsson' From: Jeff Stevenson > >Well since this is a truly on topic list, thought I'd float an idea. > >How much interest would there be out there to organize a CDR tree to >distribute boots? I know this was floated a year or two ago, but got >lukewarm interest. I know that my collection has a lot of holes in it that >I'd really like to fill and it is sometimes something of a pain to track >down people to trade with. > >Any interest now? > > Jeff > >np: Bourbon Street Atari Party....nice boot. Very clean recording of the >'88 OR tour. From: 'Joe Shoults' I would like to subscribe to the Digest AS WELL AS the > regular list (as I do with the 'old' TADREAM list ). [...] > it. If I want to go back, I can always get into the saved Digest. ... > John Hi John- you actually already can view the archives from your browser at onelist.com, but if you want to receive them via e-mail, you will have to subscribe with an additional e-mail account, to the best of my knowledge. You can do this for free with services like hotmail.com (and lots of others), then set them to redirect your mail to your primary account. Note: I just tried to get into onelist.com, and the database seems to be down at the moment. -joe From: 'Gerry Fox' I can do it, but my turn-around time isn't the greatest, since I only have >access to a CD-R drive once a week. I also have no CD boots. All my stuff is >tape. I have the Keep, though. > >Scott > From: 'Dan J. Schulte' From: 'Dan J. Schulte' From: 'Dan J. Schulte' From: KMu9978842@xxx.xxx Date: Sat Mar 20, 1999 8:02 am Subject: For Vitaly Leontiev/Russian CD's Hello, cant reach your eMail address, could you please contact me direct? Regards Kelvin Munson From: 'nick adams' 1.'Slaves....they're using them for slaves...and they gotta crush em...cuz of the gravity' >2.'I see you....chocolate man!!' >3.'The lady will have the linguini & clamsauce, with a coke and no ice' >4.'If I saw myself in clothes like that I'd have to kick my own ass' >and the throw away (which means if you miss this...you suck) >5.'Prisoner transfer from cell block 1138.' >Have fun...or be a grump, don't play and get nothing! ;-p I Would Love to play, but to be honest i aint got a F#@%#N clue to any of them, even the one you say'' if you miss this you suck''.......well no 4 maybe i would put down as the Jerry Springer Show..............Just Kidding Nick Np.....Ozrics / Curios Corn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15393 Re: Dano's Quiz Plumer, Scott Sat 3/20/1999 1 KB 15396 Re: Dano's Quiz Dan J. Schulte Sat 3/20/1999 1 KB 15397 Re: Dano's Quiz Dan J. Schulte Sat 3/20/1999 2 KB 15401 Re: Dano's Quiz Jeff Stevenson Sun 3/21/1999 1 KB 15403 Re: Dano's Quiz Dan J. Schulte Sun 3/21/1999 1 KB 15405 Dano's Quiz Daventura Sun 3/21/1999 1 KB 15406 Re: Dano's Quiz Dan J. Schulte Sun 3/21/1999 1 KB 15407 Re: Dano's Quiz Joe Shoults Sun 3/21/1999 1 KB From: Frederic Yargui From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > I can do it, but my turn-around time isn't the greatest, since I only have > access to a CD-R drive once a week. I also have no CD boots. All my stuff is > tape. I have the Keep, though. > > Scott > > > From: Jeff Stevenson > > Well since this is a truly on topic list, thought I'd float an idea. > > How much interest would there be out there to organize a CDR tree to > distribute boots? I know this was floated a year or two ago, but got > lukewarm interest. I know that my collection has a lot of holes in it that > I'd really like to fill and it is sometimes something of a pain to track > down people to trade with. > > Any interest now? > > Jeff > IN MP3 format? Fred From: Frederic Yargui -----Message d'origine----- > De: Joe Shoults [SMTP:joes@c...] > Date: vendredi 19 mars 1999 16:41 > A: tadream@o... > Objet: [tadream] TEST to check for attachments > > TEST > > I am attaching a text file containing only the word 'test', to verify that > onelist does not forward attachments to the list members. I have no idea if > this is true or not, but if it doesn't, we will never have to worry about > all that happy99 virus type of stuff... > > -joe > << Fichier: test.txt>> From: Frederic Yargui I would be interested in a tree. I'm trying to get the cash to buy a CDR burner > now (still no color printer). If I DO get one I would try to be a branch, > otherwise I'll just have to be a leaf. > > Thanks. > > John > What about a tree for high quality color printouts? Fred From: 'Plumer, Scott' 1.'Slaves....they're using them for slaves...and they gotta crush em...cuz of the gravity' Wavelength >2.'I see you....chocolate man!!' Near Dark >3.'The lady will have the linguini & clamsauce, with a coke and no ice' Risky Business >4.'If I saw myself in clothes like that I'd have to kick my own ass' I've heard this line, but can't recall the film. I wanna say Risky B., but I don't think that's right. >and the throw away (which means if you miss this...you suck) >5.'Prisoner transfer from cell block 1138.' THX1138. Duh!!! Scott From: MikeVal777@xxx.xxx Date: Sat Mar 20, 1999 4:26 pm Subject: Re: New to list Hello all, Glad to be on a list thats ON TOPIC. For starters i am Mike, my favorite TD releases are White Eagle, Ricochet and Encore, then again all of the Baumann and Schmoelling are like all #1 to me. So i look forward to this list. I have got a question. Can anyone direct me to Baumanns - Trans Harmonic Nights and Romance ' something' on cd?? i know they are out of print but if anyone knows a possible avenue i can take to get these please let me know. Thanx Mike Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15414 Re: New to list Marcelo Gutierrez Mon 3/22/1999 1 KB 15420 Re: New to list Rainer Rutka Mon 3/22/1999 1 KB From: Daniel and Corinne Fishman > From: 'Hassinen Ami' > > Hello everybody! > > Nice to be here on this list. Just checked the handy 'user profile' bit and > found out that there´s 56 of us here right now. So the convention is getting > bigger every day ;-) > > Because there´s not that many of us here yet, I would like to let everybody > check my wants-list first. Probably it gets more attention here...I hope. > Please e-mail me if you have any of these and are willing to trade. I have > basically all the other generally known stuff from 70-77 that is not on my > list and a plenty of later shows/boots too. Also non-TD EM etc. I´m willing > to supply you the swap material on CD-Rs even if I got c-cassettes in > exchange... > > Ami´s wants-list: > > 25.11.72 Köln, WDR-Sendesaal 'Klangwald' > > 20.11.74 Glasgow, Kelvin Hall > > 26.11.74 Bradford, St. Georges Hall > > 02.04.75 London, Royal Albert Hall (the second encore and the interview) > > 12.10.75 Birmingham, Town Hall (the encore) > > Jan. 1976 Paris (Hippodrome or Palais de Sport?) > > 11.02.76 Amsterdam, RAI-Congresscentrum > > 10.10.76 Hannover, Stadthalle > > 21.10.76 Düsseldorf, Philipshalle > > 03.11.76 Edinburgh, Odeon > > 13.11.76 Leeds University > > April 77 Toronto > > 02.04.77 Cleveland > > 11.04.77 Quebec, Hilton > > well, it wasn´t that long a list after all. > > Quite interesting to see that majority of those list members who did state > their age for the 'profile' seem to be in their early thirties...me too! Was > there a lot of sun spot activity in mid 60´s or what??? ;-) > > cheers, > > Ami > > ps. > Daniel, looking forward to copy your tree material for you...please send me > the blanks whenever you´re ready... > Hi Ami, Sorry I haven't been in touch but the thesis has to be in soon and I am drowning in a) last minute changes and b) onelist emails! I must change to digest mode! In 2 weeks time I have some holiday, which will involve dismantling my study to change it into baby bedroom 2. At that time my tape deck will join my HiFi CD player, when I can record for you those RAMP,ARC and something else recordings you wanted (Under the dome live was the other, or was it far from stars? I'll do them whatever). The first recordings I did were a bit quite. the RAMP Nodular disc is not as good as one of their unreleased one I have, basically the full version of the GT2 'What's the point of freezing a radio' track. So I'll do that too! That way I can send you the Redshift video and soundtrack tape (let me know if you want this, you might be able to get a better quality soundtrack recording from your system) with all the trade stuff, all together. I was hoping to get to hear redshift live, but cannot go now. I'll let you know if my contact will be doing a live CD-R ;-) Regards, Daniel From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > I Would Love to play, but to be honest i aint got a F#@%#N clue to any of > them, even the one you say'' if you miss this you suck''.......well no 4 > maybe i would put down as the Jerry Springer Show..............Just Kidding Haha...well start watching more movies!! Hahah!! Don't worry, they'll be more chances, heh. Dan Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > Since this is on the Tadream list, I'm assuming these are all TD-scored > movies, Doh! Nope...in fact I take great offense that you would say I would quote TD movies because they are mostly all so horrible. Hahaha! except #5... > > >1.'Slaves....they're using them for slaves...and they gotta crush em...cuz > of the gravity' > Wavelength > > >2.'I see you....chocolate man!!' > Near Dark > > >3.'The lady will have the linguini & clamsauce, with a coke and no ice' > Risky Business > > >4.'If I saw myself in clothes like that I'd have to kick my own ass' > I've heard this line, but can't recall the film. I wanna say Risky B., but I > don't think that's right. > > >and the throw away (which means if you miss this...you suck) > >5.'Prisoner transfer from cell block 1138.' > THX1138. Duh!!! Hahahahah! Sorry Scott, you missed em all, even the 'you suck' question! Heh heh. Someone will shine here...where are you, where's the movie nerd?! ;-p Dano -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > From: MikeVal777@a... > Can anyone direct me to Baumanns - Trans Harmonic Nights You can win a free cdr of it from me...but you gotta play the Dano movie nerd quiz! Hehehe. Actually, I was pretty impressed when I got Baumann's THN. It seemed to me though that there was a void (Franke & Ed...where'd ya go?). You really notice their abscence. The drums are weaker & the chords are fewer but the overall album is pretty good sequence/melody-wise. Dano -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: 'Jens Peschke' From: Daniel and Corinne Fishman [SNIP] > The first recordings I did were a bit quite. the RAMP Nodular disc is not as good > as one of their unreleased one I have, basically the full version of the GT2 > 'What's the point of freezing a radio' track. So I'll do that too! Wrong, wrong and wrong. 1) The long track you have is called 'Frozen radios' and not 'What's the point of freezing a radio?' 2) 'Frozen radios' is not the full version of WTPOFAR that appear on GT2. It's another take we recorded the same day (07/25/98) in Marl, Germany. 3) 'Frozen radios' is by 'RAMP featuring JoxBox' ie Frank Makowski, Stephen Parsick and myself. 8-) Anyway, I'm glad you like it. :-) Kind Regards Jens (aka JoxBox) From: Jeff Stevenson From: Frederic Yargui >What about a tree for high quality color printouts? > >Fred There are people working on that. From: Jeff Stevenson > >1.'Slaves....they're using them for slaves...and they gotta crush em...cuz >> of the gravity' >> Wavelength This one is from the movie with the spiked silver ball that flew around and sucked people's brains out. Can't remember the name tho. Shouldn't this be on the offtopic list tho? From: Carlo Ruggiero > This one is from the movie with the spiked silver ball that flew around and > sucked people's brains out. Can't remember the name tho. > Phantasm? Carlo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15404 Re: Movie quiz answer? Jeff Stevenson Sun 3/21/1999 1 KB From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > From: Jeff Stevenson > > At 09:07 AM 3/20/1999 -0800, you wrote: > >> >1.'Slaves....they're using them for slaves...and they gotta crush em...cuz > >> of the gravity' > >> Wavelength > > This one is from the movie with the spiked silver ball that flew around and > sucked people's brains out. Can't remember the name tho. > > Shouldn't this be on the offtopic list tho? Well, it's on topic IMO. I'm giving away a free TD related cd! Besides, there are many more people on this list...so why deprive them. ;-) Dan -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: Jeff Stevenson From: Carlo Ruggiero > >Jeff >> >> This one is from the movie with the spiked silver ball that flew around and >> sucked people's brains out. Can't remember the name tho. >> > >Phantasm? > >Carlo > From: Daventura From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > From: Daventura > > I know FOR SURE that quote #5 is Star Wars. The other ones > sound like they are from less than quality films, which would explain > why I don't recognize them....David Actually, every film listed has an enormous cult following and all these films did quite well at the BO. ;-p I'll announce who wins tomorrow. Special thanks from those who are stumped to those helping out by posting your response publicly. Hehe. Dan-0h -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: 'Joe Shoults' > Well, it's on topic IMO. I'm giving away a free TD related cd! Besides, > there are many more people on this list...so why deprive them. ;-) > > Dan > From: Frederic Yargui Date: Sun Mar 21, 1999 11:38 am Subject: Re: Tree > From: Jeff Stevenson > >From: Frederic Yargui > >What about a tree for high quality color printouts? > > > >Fred > > There are people working on that. Good! Fred From: XxphyIeX@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Mar 21, 1999 1:58 pm Subject: trading vhs for cdrs here... im looking to trade my concert videos.. yes i have some td.. and 1000s of others.. for cdrs. or other concert videos.. if u are interested.. email me and let me know.. at xxphyiex@a... spell it right... do it now.. before someone else offers me the things u have ... cuz then u wont be able to... if u dont think u have anything on cdr that i want... think again... i dont have a single cd bootleg at all.. so anything of excellent quality is of interest... lets go people... From: Frederic Yargui From: Eric Rochon From: cosmos Date: Sun Mar 21, 1999 10:42 pm Subject: Re: tree i realy would like to join the tree. unfortunately i only have 2 bootlegs till now (electronic orgy and traumzeit) i have a cdr burner, a scanner and a color printer, so i can always help. andré Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15457 Re: tree Robert Williams Thu 3/25/1999 2 KB 31217 tree tadreaming@c... Fri 1/11/2002 2 KB 31226 Tree PENFOLD Sat 1/12/2002 2 KB 31465 Re: tree Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 1/16/2002 2 KB 31466 Relayed Phases Steve Wed 1/16/2002 2 KB 31467 Re: tree Mark Filipak Wed 1/16/2002 3 KB 31680 tree David Foster Sat 1/26/2002 3 KB 32056 tree Admin Sun 2/10/2002 2 KB 32063 tree Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Sun 2/10/2002 2 KB From: 'Kevin Jowers' Date: Mon Mar 22, 1999 2:38 am Subject: Tree Okay, the majority of us think a CDR tree is a good idea. Now.....what should be included on the CD's?? Should it be single shows or perhaps a 'Best Of' from each tour?? Let's get some ideas from those in favor of the tree. Just trying to get the ball rolling, Kevin --- Kevin M. Jowers jowers@i... Visit my Synth and Midi site now with my own Real Audio and MP3 song samples http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Garage/1302/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15417 Re: Tree Gerry Fox Mon 3/22/1999 1 KB 15418 Re: Tree Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Mon 3/22/1999 1 KB 15427 Re: Tree Jeff Stevenson Mon 3/22/1999 2 KB 32001 Tree Christian Villazón Fri 2/8/2002 2 KB 32706 Tree fozziebear Wed 3/13/2002 2 KB 33821 Tree Morgan Feldon Sat 5/11/2002 3 KB From: Marcelo Gutierrez Date: Mon Mar 22, 1999 3:25 am Subject: Re: New to list ---------- > From: MikeVal777@a... > To: tadream@o... > > From: MikeVal777@a... > > Hello all, > > Glad to be on a list thats ON TOPIC. For starters i am Mike, my favorite TD > releases are White Eagle, Ricochet and Encore, then again all of the Baumann > and Schmoelling are like all #1 to me. So i look forward to this list. I > have got a question. Can anyone direct me to Baumanns - Trans Harmonic Nights > and Romance ' something' on cd?? i know they are out of print but if anyone > knows a possible avenue i can take to get these please let me know. > > Thanx > > Mike > Was Romance 76 ever released on CD? I thought not, but I might be wrong! Marcelo From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Mon Mar 22, 1999 5:18 am Subject: Re: Romance '76 > From: Marcelo Gutierrez [SNIP] > Was Romance 76 ever released on CD? I thought not, but I might be wrong! It has been released but is out of print for a long time now. Mind you, the cheap virgin sampler Phase-by-Phase (got mine for 6 quid in London) has 5 of the 6 tracks from Romance on it. Shame is they did miss 2 brilliant tracks from TN, though. Regz Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15421 Re: Romance '76 Marcelo Gutierrez Mon 3/22/1999 1 KB 18643 Re: Romance '76 Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Tue 10/26/1999 2 KB From: 'Dan J. Schulte' Date: Mon Mar 22, 1999 3:45 am Subject: Dano's Quiz-The winner Well, next time I'll ask you a bunch of questions pertaning to Edgar's aviator sunglasses instead of film quotes....you pilgrims are pitiful! Haha...but in any case...the winner is: Pete Issacson! Just email me & let me know which one ya want & I'll zoom it into your living room so you can have an orgasmic listening experience! 1.'Slaves....they're using them for slaves...and they gotta crush em...cuz of the gravity' Phantasm 2.'I see you....chocolate man!!' Dawn of the Dead 3.'The lady will have the linguini & clamsauce, with a coke and no ice' Fast Times At Ridegmont High 4.'If I saw myself in clothes like that I'd have to kick my own ass' Happy Gilmore and the throw away (which means if you miss this...you suck) 5.'Prisoner transfer from cell block 1138.' Star Wars (duh) heh heh. Sorry for the bandwidth. Next time I'll be sure to make TD the focus of the contest...but be warned...I've been listening to TD for a while now...so the questions won't be much easier, heh. Dan -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: 'Gerry Fox' Date: Mon Mar 22, 1999 7:31 am Subject: Re: Tree As the item which generated significant discussion during the time I was on the other list was the Keep and all its variants should we start with that? Gerry -----Original Message----- >From: 'Kevin Jowers' > > >Okay, the majority of us think a CDR tree is a good idea. Now.....what >should be included on the CD's?? , >Kevin From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Date: Mon Mar 22, 1999 9:15 am Subject: Re: Tree >From: Jeff Stevenson > >How much interest would there be out there to organize a CDR tree to >distribute boots? Yeah, I'm interested. Having seen some posts over the weekend I'm now a little confused. Are we talking about copies of, for example, Sonambulistic Imagery, Raetikon, etc. or digital copies of the tapes that are currently doing the rounds? ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Mon Mar 22, 1999 10:22 am Subject: About webspace Hello all, I saw the discussion about webspace and got an idea. Why not make a virtual website. Like agreeing on a design and then spreading the contents over several sites and accounts. Then space certainly would'nt be a problem. Tell me what you think about this. Geir From: Rainer Rutka Was Romance 76 ever released on CD? I thought not, but I might be wrong! You are. It is/was released by Virgin records. Don't have the number here. Email me privately if you need it. Or look into my homepage. http://home.t-online.de/home/rutka Rainer rainer@k... From: Marcelo Gutierrez From: 'Jens Peschke' > > > From: Marcelo Gutierrez > [SNIP] > > Was Romance 76 ever released on CD? I thought not, but I might be wrong! > > It has been released but is out of print for a long time now. > Mind you, the cheap virgin sampler Phase-by-Phase (got mine for 6 quid > in London) > has 5 of the 6 tracks from Romance on it. > Yes, I have it, but I believe 'Glass Bridge' was left out which is, IMO, the best track on the album. > Shame is they did miss 2 brilliant tracks from TN, though. > Yes I agree! Marcelo From: 'Joe Shoults' Hello, > >The ONElist system will be down for scheduled maintenance this evening, >Monday March 22, 1999. We will be off-line from 8pm to 10pm Pacific Time >while we upgrade the system. > >Thanks for using ONElist! > > >The ONElist Team From: 'Hassinen Ami' From: 'Jens Peschke' Those comments on Baumann´s solo albums have been interesting. Personally I > think that 'Romance 76' and 'Trans-Harmonic Nights' are nothing short of > wonderful. 'Repeat Repeat' is musically clever and funny. 'Strangers in the > night' is just funny ;-) Here's my short comment I sent today to Goldtri, where the TD solo efforts of Edgar, Peter, Chris and others are discussed at the weekly D:artists thread: ====================================================== From a historical view Baumann had the biggest potential of all TD members, but he hardly used his talents. Romance '76 is an absolutely superb album, 'Meadow of Infinity' still remains one of my all time faves of all time. Too bad he played safe on his next release, Transharmonic Nights. Still some great stuff on that one. He got completely lost when trying to mix new wave with probably the worst vocals that ever made it to an album. The music on 'Repeat, repeat' still has it moments, but it was a waste of talent, IMO. ==================================================== > This made me think about their solo works in general. How do people on this > list feel about them? As to Edgar's solo efforts: Erm. Stuntman is neat and well done, Edgar at his best. As to his other solo releases: Simple sub par TD stuff - he tries to explore new ground, which has been very important for the process/developement of TD, but musically there isn't enought substance in that man alone to come up with really brilliant stuff. My fave three would be: Baumann´s 'Romance 76' Schulze's 'Mirage' Schulze's 'X' If Schulze won't count, it would be Baumann´s 'Romance 76' Franke 'London Concert' Schmoelling's 'Zoo of Tranquillity' Kind Regards Jens From: 'Hassinen Ami' Romance '76 is an absolutely superb album, 'Meadow of Infinity' >still remains one of my all time faves of all time. > >Too bad he played safe on his next release, Transharmonic Nights. >Still some great stuff on that one. > >He got completely lost when trying to mix new wave with probably the >worst >vocals that ever made it to an album. The music on 'Repeat, repeat' >still has it moments, but it was a waste of talent, IMO. I think that tracks like 'Decadance', 'Playland Pleasure' and 'Daytime Logic' are very good musically. Certainly they are superior to any neu romantic/new wave synth efforts in the early eighties as far as the inventive sequencing and sounds are concerned. Yeah, I know that his vocals suck...but the vocals on 'Strangers' suck even more! ;-) >If Schulze won't count, it would be >Baumann´s 'Romance 76' >Franke 'London Concert' >Schmoelling's 'Zoo of Tranquillity' Aaargh! I only now realized the trap that I have accidentally set. Of course there should be Schulze on my list too...but then, he´s such a well-known bloke in his own right. Perhaps we should skip Klaus this time? When somebody says 'Klaus Schulze' I hardly think of his contribution to TD in the first place. cheers, Ami ps. Has Jockbox any albums out? Or is there any other ways to get to hear their music? From: Joel Mullen From: Jeff Stevenson From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 >>How much interest would there be out there to organize a CDR tree to >>distribute boots? > >Yeah, I'm interested. Having seen some posts over the weekend I'm now a little >confused. Are we talking about copies of, for example, Sonambulistic Imagery, >Raetikon, etc. or digital copies of the tapes that are currently doing the >rounds? From: Frederic Yargui Well I am back now. Ready to talk about these new trees. I tried to get > a CD-R tree going a few months ago. Everyone interested pretty much two things > in common. No bootlegs to copy and no burner to do it. So I put it on hold for a > while. Just for FYI I have every CD bootleg (execept the Risky Business press kit) > in original form with original artwork. And I have a few dozen CD-R only bootlegs > and some rare official TD as well. So I am ready to start with the tree anytime. Oh > and I have a burner too. FY? > > And as far as artwork goes I am starting another project that involves collecting > 300 dpi scans of original artwork for ALL CD-R bootlegs. My plan was to get all the > art, burn them on a CD-R and distribute in in a tree. > > Let me know if anyone is interested in the project and if they can/will help me. > I'll help you the best I can, almost with personnal very limited releases that are OL & PD but also Legend (laserdisc) & TBN that I had the chance to 'remaster' music + art. > Regards, > > Joel > Dream Regards, From: 'Jens Peschke' I think that tracks like 'Decadance', 'Playland Pleasure' and 'Daytime > Logic' are very good musically. Certainly they are superior to any neu > romantic/new wave synth efforts in the early eighties as far as the > inventive sequencing and sounds are concerned. Depeche Mode/Yello did it way better musically. In the 90s the German group Wolfsheim are even better partly. >Yeah, I know that his vocals suck...but the vocals on 'Strangers' suck even more! >;-) he, he, he. > >If Schulze won't count, it would be > >Baumann´s 'Romance 76' > >Franke 'London Concert' > >Schmoelling's 'Zoo of Tranquillity' > > Aaargh! I only now realized the trap that I have accidentally set. > Of course there should be Schulze on my list too...but then, he´s such a > well-known bloke in his own right. Perhaps we should skip Klaus this time? Yep. I already offered my votes using the ignore_Schulze option. ;-) > When somebody says 'Klaus Schulze' I hardly think of his contribution to TD > in the first place. Me neither. > Has Joxbox any albums out? Or is there any other ways to get to hear their > music? There's no further JoxBox (ie solo) stuff worth to be released yet. 8-) Check the latest SMD issue or http://www.neuharm.demon.co.uk/thecase.htm for a review of the Kubusschnitt (Bloyce, Coppens, Heij, Peschke) debut. Kind Regards Jens From: Joel Mullen Here is a list of every suggested title (besides 'Dream Piles' ;-) that I have found posted to the list (plus my own). If I have missed any or have attributed the wrong person please let me know. Some are obviously a joke but others are not so obvious. ;-) Due to the unforeseen split in the tadream list to 'tadream@o...' this compilation is for BOTH lists and will be handled as one list for this project. Use this list of suggestions to think about what you want as a title. When the official CD-R tree sign-up occurs in the beginning of April you will be given an opportunity to *vote* for your choice, however I have not decided on how the final decision will be made. Most likely voting will determine a top five or so list which the contributors them- selves will pick from. Not my suggestion, but it is a very good idea. I will keep you posted. Feel free to e-mail me directly instead of the list if you feel that this is an *off topic* post but you still want to make suggestions. Here are some of my ideas that I have never posted to the list---- *************************************************************************** 'Sell Me One Lulu Jam' (my personal anagram :-) 'Nut rot shit feed' (the worst TD anagram I could find ;-) ALL kidding aside here are some real suggestions- 'Dream Autopsy' 'A Step Away from Them' 'A Dream Deferred' 'Under the Lion's Paw' 'Dream Boogie' 'Our Dream Beyond' 'Citrus Rock' 'Across Unprotected Waters' '110V Live' 'The Dream is Never the Same' (any reaction to any of those?) *************************************************************************** SUGGESTED TITLES FOR THE TADREAM LIST COMPILATION (in no particular order, what can I say I am too lazy for that) *************************************************************************** 'take my off the list NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!' ****ANAGRAM APPROCH**** 'A Dream Entering' 'I AM A NERD REGENT' 'Bright Dreams' 'Dream Inspiration' 'Dream Signals' 'dreaming of dreamers' 'Images of a Future Dream' 'Dreams of the Future' 'Future Dreams' 'New Dreamers' ****ANAGRAM APPROCH**** 'Entering a Dream' 'Mad Art Engineer' 'Generated in RAM' 'A Dream Entering' 'Maiden Art Genre' 'Edgar Retina Men' 'A German I'd Enter' 'POLYGON' 'DREAMQUEST' 'GALLERY OF MENTAL IMAGES' 'DREAMERS' CONVENTION' 'ONEIROMANCY' (i.e. the science of interpreting dreams) 'Dream Analysis' 'Dreamers I' 'Sonic Dreams' 'Cyber Dreamers' 'Dream Reflections' 'Memories of Dream' 'Tadream, Perchance to sleep?' 'Dream Weavers' 'No Clue' 'Seekers of Dreams' 'Dream Seekers' 'The Dream Tree' 'A Dream Within a Dream...' 'Dreams Within Dreams' 'The Best Tadream list members compilation in the world, Ever!' 'Now that's what Tadream list members call music!' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And here are some suggested *approches* by Mark Edmonds >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, there seems to be a few ways which this can be done. 1. The Arty Approach. Basically, come up with titles similar to TD titles. Examples perhaps: Midnight curfew in the sphere of chocolate. Lion's kiss on the golden dune. Towards the evening star (red snowdrop mix). 2. The Anagram Approach. I really like 'Mad art engineers' (has to be plural obviously)! 3. The Parody Approach. You could do 'The TD Files' or 'Mystery Dream Theater' (not sure on my US TV - does that already exist?) or 'Theater of Dreams' or 'The Interpretation of Dreams' or 'Wet Dreams' or 'Nightmare on TD List, Freddy's tapes' (sorry Fred!). Whatever is selected, it mustn't sound pretentious. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and here is another suggestion by Dan Schulte >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why does it have to have the word 'dream' in it? Come on people, let's be more prolific! ;-p Dan From: 'Thomas Bertilsson' From: 'Hassinen Ami' > >Howdy! > >Those comments on Baumann´s solo albums have been interesting. Personally I >think that 'Romance 76' and 'Trans-Harmonic Nights' are nothing short of >wonderful. 'Repeat Repeat' is musically clever and funny. 'Strangers in the >night' is just funny ;-) >This made me think about their solo works in general. How do people on this >list feel about them? >If I had to choose THREE best albums by people who have been in TD at some >part of their career, I think I would choose these (not in particular order): >-Froese´s 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale' >-Baumann´s 'Romance 76' >-Baumann´s 'Trans-Harmonic Nights' >--------------------------------- >(bubbling under: Ed´s 'Stuntman' and Schmoelling´s 'Wuivend Riet') >how would you choose??? >cheers, >Ami >np: >Undercover dreams From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: Joel Mullen > > Just for FYI I have every CD bootleg (execept the Risky Business press kit) >in original form with original artwork. And I have a few dozen CD-R only bootlegs >and some rare official TD as well. So I am ready to start with the tree anytime. Oh >and I have a burner too. Would you be willing to act as the seed for every tree? I think that would put too much pressure on you, and not really be fair. I only have about 6 CD boots and about 12 CD-R boot copies, and have limited access to a burner (i.e. I have to ask a friend at work) but would be happy to offer these meagre services if they'd spread the load a little. What I don't have, however, is access to scanning / printing equipment for the covers. > And as far as artwork goes I am starting another project that involves collecting >300 dpi scans of original artwork for ALL CD-R bootlegs. My plan was to get all the >art, burn them on a CD-R and distribute in in a tree. Then people can print out whatever >quality art they want for the tree CD-Rs. If they want high quality art I am having a >number of copies of each printed on a high-quality profession laser printer. However >I am no where near done with collecting the scans and the printing will cost some $$. That sounds like quite a project! I don't have access to a colour printer at present (trying to print them at work might be pushing my luck just a little) so would be looking for some kind person to provide me with the artwork too. Perhaps there are others in the same position? ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'teiwaz _' From: rzanelli@xxxx.xx.xx Date: Tue Mar 23, 1999 8:39 am Subject: Re: solo works Hey, lets not forget Conrad Schnitzler! He's been very active since leaving TD and has produced huge amounts of stuff: mostly experimental but I'd bet his Ballet Statique in collaboration with Baumann would appeal to quite a few TD fans... Personally I like EF's Kamikaze 1989: it may be simple and naive but that makes all the more interesting. It works quite well in the movie, especially the closing track which is really melancholic. My third choice would probably be Lightwave's Tycho Brahe in collaboration with Haslinger (does this count? His name is only in the credits... ): wonderfully weird and haunting stuff. Keep dreaming, Riccardo From: rzanelli@xxxx.xx.xx Date: Tue Mar 23, 1999 8:53 am Subject: Re: CD-R and ART trees >And as far as artwork goes I am starting another project that involves collecting 300 dpi scans of original >artwork for ALL CD-R bootlegs. My plan was to get all the art, burn them on a CD-R and distribute in in a >tree. Then people can print out whatever quality art they want for the tree CD-Rs. If they want high >quality art I am having a number of copies of each printed on a high-quality profession laser printer. >However I am no where near done with collecting the scans and the printing will cost some $$. > > Hi Joel Count me in! Considering the space available on a CDR, why not make higher resolution scans? 600 dpi? Is that too high? Riccardo From: KMu9978842@a... Date: Tue Mar 23, 1999 11:24 am Subject: Re: CD-R and ART trees Hi, I'm in a similar position. I would be very pleased to help with copying the CDs but only have access to a 'bread and butter' colour printer. Kelvin Munson From: Frederic Yargui From: KMu9978842@a... > > Hi, > > I'm in a similar position. I would be very pleased to help with copying the > CDs but only have access to a 'bread and butter' colour printer. I don't know this model. Available in good bakeries? Tell us more! Fred From: Marcelo Gutierrez From: Joel Mullen From: rzanelli@h... > > > >And as far as artwork goes I am starting another project that involves > collecting 300 dpi scans of original >artwork for ALL CD-R bootlegs. My > plan was to get all the art, burn them on a CD-R and distribute in in a > >tree. Then people can print out whatever quality art they want for the > tree CD-Rs. If they want high >quality art I am having a number of copies > of each printed on a high-quality profession laser printer. >However I am > no where near done with collecting the scans and the printing will cost > some $$. > > > > > > Hi Joel > > Count me in! > Considering the space available on a CDR, why not make higher resolution > scans? 600 dpi? Is that too high? > > Riccardo > I have tried 600 dpi with success, however it creates a printable bit-map file of about 100 MB and that ties up the color laser printer for 45 minutes or so just to process the file. 300 dpi produces results that are excellent. In fact I have a number of files that were the actual ones used to produce CD-R boot art (they are not scans) and they are either 200 dpi or 300 dpi. So scanning in artwork at any higher resolution will not result in higher quality prints. Regards, Joel From: 'Dan J. Schulte' From: Joel Mullen From: Frederic Yargui From: Joel Mullen > > I don't see what all the fuss is about. As most bootlegs are just > fan tapes we are really only talking about a digital tape tree, with > no money changing hands. It is not OUR fault that some of them > were released by *real* bootleggers. Besides that we all buy > every stinking release anyway. Hi, Joel & dreamers! I totally agree : I buy *every* TD item (hearable, not shoes, paintings or feelings) I can find in the shops and on Intenet. When TD decides to release all previously released bootlegs ie all previously _unrelased_ material, studio, live, soundcheck and others, then I'll try to get another job to earn more money to afford these releases. Just my 0.02 euros :-P Fred PS : If they are packed in a box with 80% stuff I already have, I'll shout in the middle of the New Age section at Parisian Fnac 'FUCK OFF, BASTARDS!!!' (Fnac is a very well known big music store in France & Europa) From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > From: Joel Mullen > > I don't see what all the fuss is about. No fuss really, just trying to tone it down a bit. As most bootlegs are just > fan tapes we are really only talking about a digital tape tree, with > no money changing hands. It is not OUR fault that some of them > were released by *real* bootleggers. Yes! It's all your fault Joel! Yours! (& I'm sure the gay people had something to do with it too) Besides that we all buy > every stinking release anyway. Or at least I do. Yes, at least, haha! I abandoned the 'buy it if it's dream' zone long ago. I think Turn of the Tides spoke for itself...then I changed my ways. Now I just compose my own stuff cuz I got tired of waiting to hear good music from them. If this is going > to be viewed by the Feds as *bootlegging* then forget about it. Well, it's like the IRS, it's always a random search...but if it turns out to be 'you' then it really sucks. They literally take anything that doesn't have your name on it, your address & a note that says 'not for sale'. Even legal stuff gets confiscated, not to mention fines up to $200,000. Nope, I ain't kidding. But, that's the risk ya take. It may be a rare occurance, but if it happens to you...suckfest 1999. > Fer Christ sake we are not making 1000 copies of Madonna's > latest in an old building to sell on the street corner for 1/2 the > price of a *real* release. You silly man, that's not the point heh heh. And besides THAT we are all using > the music CD-Rs that have $7 in *royalty fees* built into the price. > RIGHT GUYS? uh huh... Thanks to Memorex I can now make my cdrs for only $3.25 each instead of $6!! F^&K You Philips & TDK!! Yeee haaa!! ;-p Dano (who uses a stand alone machine...PC based cdr burners suck ass) -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: Joel Mullen From: 'teiwaz _' ...the power to burn cdrs of other artist's licensed music it is still considered illegal.< Aren't you talking about music piracy? What happened to manikin records when they digitally transferred Edgar Froese's Macula Transfer to CD? A letter was sent and manikin has stopped manufacturing it--they did distribute what copies remained. What happened to the release of 'The Keep'? Only pre-release copies came out--what was it, 1500 units or something? The artist was the band itself. The infighting is between megaconglomerates on that one. Please correct me if I am wrong. It is also my understanding that if one releases less than one thousand copies of something, then permission from the 'owner' of the work does not need to be obtained for sampling. I believe that is how Psychic TV did a vinyl release of the tape of the Reverend Jim Jones and the Mass suicide. Genesis P'Orridge certainly did not own the rights to the tape. Then again, negativland have been fighting to get 'fair use' of sampling laws more well defined or deleted in the US. Island records ripped 'em a new one over negativland's 'cover' of U2's 'I still haven't found what I'm looking for' Or maybe it was Casey Kasem--since his potty-mouthed outtakes--were really the focus of the negativland cover. Gotta maintain that public image. Now as for making copies of fan tapes--who knows? I was under the impression that edgar allows his shows to be taped, but that concert promoters have problems with that. The record companies certainly do not own the works--they perhaps own the tapes that they have in their cans. When an artist performs a song whether it is something they wrote or not have they obtained permission from a record company beforehand to do so? Aren't there thousands or millions of grateful dead fan tapes circulating for private home use? Who's stopping that--Arista? Grateful Dead Records? --twz Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15446 Re: the power to burn cdrs of other artist's lice Dan J. Schulte Wed 3/24/1999 3 KB From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > From: 'teiwaz _' > > dano wrote: > > >...the power to burn cdrs of other artist's licensed music it is still > considered illegal.< > > Aren't you talking about music piracy? What happened to manikin records > when they digitally transferred Edgar Froese's Macula Transfer to CD? A > letter was sent and manikin has stopped manufacturing it--they did > distribute what copies remained. Whether or not someone gets away with it is irrelevant. My point is...it's illegal. > It is also my understanding that if one releases less than one thousand > copies of something, then permission from the 'owner' of the work does > not need to be obtained for sampling. That's false. Where did you hear such nonsense? > Now as for making copies of fan tapes--who knows? I was under the > impression that edgar allows his shows to be taped, Nope. Edgar does not advocate fans making boots. When an artist performs a song whether it is something they wrote > or not have they obtained permission from a record company beforehand to > do so? Aren't there thousands or millions of grateful dead fan tapes > circulating for private home use? Who's stopping that--Arista? > Grateful Dead Records? Now I think you are insulting the smarts of the listmembers. Grateful Dead actually encouraged and allowed their concerts to be recorded live. In fact, they even allowed people to set up recording equipment in the isles...some of them were even sound engineers there for that purpose! At a time when so many things are going to go so wrong, it really doesn't matter. With the war beginning in Kosovo, Y2K, China & Russia cramping on the USA, the inevitablle stock market crash....I seriously doubt anyone will care about a boot of TD's music, hahahaha!! So, as you were & forget I said anything. DanO -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: 'Joe Shoults' From: 'teiwaz _' From: TheKobaian@xxx.xxx Date: Wed Mar 24, 1999 9:39 am Subject: Trivia contest In a message dated 3/20/99 4:59:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, tadream@o... writes: << 1.'Slaves....they're using them for slaves...and they gotta crush em...cuz of the gravity' 2.'I see you....chocolate man!!' 3.'The lady will have the linguini & clamsauce, with a coke and no ice' 4.'If I saw myself in clothes like that I'd have to kick my own ass' and the throw away (which means if you miss this...you suck) 5.'Prisoner transfer from cell block 1138.' >> I dunno about numbers 2-4, but number is from the original Phantasm (great movie, as I recall) and number is from Star Wars! I probably don't win anything (and probably missed the dead line anyway, but I couldn't go away without giving my answers! :-) May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris From: Carlo Ruggiero Date: Wed Mar 24, 1999 2:22 pm Subject: Bootlegging [was: Re: The power to burn cdr's] Dan, > > Now as for making copies of fan tapes--who knows? I was under the > > impression that edgar allows his shows to be taped, > > Nope. Edgar does not advocate fans making boots. If I remember correctly, Edgar has stated that he does not mind if TD's fans tape the shows as long as they are not mass produced and not done for profit. I may have to research to find this statement in the old TDIFC. So you are both correct in your statements here. Also, Edgar (& Co) went after the makers of Electronic Orgy because he was working on some of the rare material included on that set for future release on the TDI label. Bootlegging is inevitable. I'm sure Edgar realizes this. In Dream Collector, Issue #23, Edgar states 'We have often turned a blind eye to fan products of a few copies which really did not violate our interests.' If this is the case, then the organizers of Real Dream Encores and Sea of Dreams should be careful. Think how much rare material is on those fan releases. But, then again, they were not sold for profit either. Carlo From: Carlo Ruggiero I abandoned the 'buy it if it's dream' zone long ago. That's fine. It is also your prerogative to do so. Maybe some other fans on this list and the other feel the same way. What I have a problem with is telling people YOUR opinion and trying to make everyone agree with it, or berating them if they do not. I like the TD of the 90's. Not every single track on every release, but I like TD nonetheless for it. I am not singling you out Dan, because there are others on both lists who do the same thing. The recent thread about Mars Polaris, for example. We have three months before we see this release and some are speculating that this will 'suck' or will not be 'space music.' WHAT?! Do you just need something to complain about? Also, the LiveMiles/Chris Franke discussion. Who really cares if the material was played live during the Albuquerque show? It is good TD music, in any case. If any of you have the Sequel release of this cd, the liner notes contains a statement from Edgar on where the music came from: 'We did a rehearsal in the afternoon at Albuquerque during the soundcheck. Part of the album was recorded then and another part was recorded during the gig itself. We also used a bit of an encore and a little portion of the Albuquerque concert was performed later on in New York which we subsequently edited into the same performance. The reason is we performed a two and a half hour set including material which had been released on record which we could not release on the Albuquerque or Berlin concerts because they were blocked by copyright with other record companies. So we had to cut out the new pieces and bring them together to form a new live record. From time to time we had to build musical 'bridges' between these parts and some of those bridges had to be played later on whilst editing the material. Thise bridges are only half a minute or maybe a minute long, but the music in-between has been performed.' As for CF, Klemania and The London concert were good, but what has Chris done lately besides soundtrack material and 'New Age' releases (Celestine Prophecy and Transformation of Mind w/ Deepak Chopra). Not anything what I want to hear from him anyway. But I have purchased every 'official' TD release since then. I much prefer the solos from Haslinger and Schmoelling lately, than anything Christopher Franke has done. If he was so great an influence on TD's music, what happened when he went solo? Enough rambling on this post. Of course, this is all just my opinion and I hope you can respect it. Carlo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15454 Re: Buying TD releases and LiveMiles/Chris Franke Dan J. Schulte Wed 3/24/1999 4 KB From: Joel Mullen From: Joel Mullen From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > From: Carlo Ruggiero > > Dan wrote: > > I abandoned the 'buy it if it's dream' zone long ago. > > That's fine. It is also your prerogative to do so. Maybe some other > fans on this list and the other feel the same way. What I have a > problem with is telling people YOUR opinion and trying to make everyone > agree with it, or berating them if they do not. Spare me dude. I have never done that. Don't you understand the whole aspect of having a conversation or expessing opinions? In your world everyone would agree. It's just not like that. Real conversations go back & forth, agreeing and disagreeing, sometimes people stress their opinion more aggressively. It doesn't mean they are trying to 'convert' their listeners. I don't believe I said anything like 'current TD is just this non musicial garbage, end of story and whatever you think is wrong!'. In fact, I compliment TD on my site as to their musicial journies, whether I liked it or not. Heh, I have never tried to MAKE anyone agree withmy opinion. I bring up my points like everyone else, take it or leave it. I like the TD of the > 90's. Not every single track on every release, but I like TD > nonetheless for it. I am not singling you out Dan, because there are > others on both lists who do the same thing. Haha, look at your post! Of course you are, you even quote me silly. The recent thread about > Mars Polaris, for example. We have three months before we see this > release and some are speculating that this will 'suck' or will not be > 'space music.' Well duh, how many albums do we have to wade through to finally hear one that's amazing? When a band creates snoozers for several years people have a tendency to give up or rotate elsewhere. It's the same thing as if you keep going to a nice restaurant & suddenly roaches start appearing. So basically you would still eat there? Well, we all have our preferences. WHAT?! Do you just need something to complain about? Dude, here we go again. It's called conversation. What, if everything in the conversations isn't lily pads & flowers you have a coronary? not everyone likes TD & every single aspect about them, get over it. The people who dislike the current TD output outnumber those who do. Get over it. > Also, the LiveMiles/Chris Franke discussion. Who really cares if the > material was played live during the Albuquerque show? It is good TD > music, in any case. Your right, we should only talk about what you care about right? > As for CF, Klemania and The London concert were good, but what has > Chris done lately besides soundtrack material and 'New Age' releases > (Celestine Prophecy and Transformation of Mind w/ Deepak Chopra). Not > anything what I want to hear from him anyway. Me neither, but he's running a very successful soundtrack label and he's doing what he wants....& personally, I'd rather be in his shoes than Eddie's anyday. But I have purchased > every 'official' TD release since then. I much prefer the solos from > Haslinger and Schmoelling lately, than anything Christopher Franke has > done. If he was so great an influence on TD's music, what happened when > he went solo? A better question is, why did TD suddenly freeze musicially when he left? SO in effect, Franke's music isn't anything special today, but TD's music is just as bad without him. > Enough rambling on this post. Of course, this is all just my opinion > and I hope you can respect it. opinions aren't meant to be respected, they are meant to exchange thoughts & ideas. Regards, Dan -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > From: 'Joe Shoults' > This is a primary reason the old list was blacklisted by TD, as I understand > it, and I would assume TD still feels the same now. They do, & won't even show a link on their site to the biggest TD newslist there is. What does that tell us? I have vacillated on > this issue- does alowing boot discussions here provide more value to the > list members, or IF this list were to stand a chance of being recognized by > TD, then how important would that be to the members? Because they cannot > both exist on the same list. I think we should just not openly give sites where images can be downloaded for boots & soforth. When I & certain buddies on the tadream list saw the whole river of dreams thing happening, we couldn't believe it. Most bootleggers are completely invisible, but to come out and publicly do it...heh, not smart. There's a reason you never usually find out who did what. They don't want to known. > > Do you feel boot talk is an inexorable part of the vitality of this list? > Do you come here to discuss bootlegging? How would you feel if I stopped > this topic on this list? Nah, you shouldn't stop it at all. I just wouldn't advocate large production cdr runs being planned publicly on the list, hahah! If we got a new link from the TD site, how receptive might > TD (or former members) also be ( or how many members would it take) to, say, > an appointment in the chat room (planned for the tadream website), or say, a > real-time RealPlayer interview? Far-fetched? Course not, but it all depends on what the list owner (hey thats you!) wants to do with the list. Is it too much of a pain in > the ass to mess with going to a separate list to be able to discuss boots? Nah, discuss them all we want, but don't openly talk about producing or distributing them. At least, I wouldn't. Rock on Joey! McDanold's -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: 'Joe Shoults' From: 'Robert Williams' i realy would like to join the tree. unfortunately i only have 2 bootlegs till now (electronic orgy and traumzeit) i have a cdr burner, a scanner and a color printer, so i can always help. andré ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come check out our brand new web site! http://www.onelist.com Onelist: Making the Internet intimate ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm Thank you. From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' Date: Fri Mar 26, 1999 3:48 am Subject: Re: Digest Number 9 >Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:12:24 -0600 >From: Joel Mullen >Subject: Re: CD-R and ART trees >Well I am back now. Ready to talk about these new trees. I tried to get >a CD-R tree going a few months ago. Everyone interested pretty much two >things in common. No bootlegs to copy and no burner to do it. So I put it on >hold for a [......] >Let me know if anyone is interested in the project and if they can/will help me. Of course, we are interested. At least I know I am....but like you said... no burner...although I do have some boots that everybody seems to have too. What is it that I can do? Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15459 Re: Digest Number 9 Kevin Jowers Fri 3/26/1999 1 KB 15461 Re: Digest Number 9 Joel Mullen Fri 3/26/1999 1 KB 15464 Re: Digest Number 9 Frederic Yargui Fri 3/26/1999 1 KB 15465 Re: Digest Number 9 Frederic Yargui Fri 3/26/1999 1 KB 15468 Re: Digest Number 9 Vic Rek Sat 3/27/1999 2 KB From: 'Kevin Jowers' Of course, we are interested. At least I know I am....but like you said... >no burner...although I do have some boots that everybody seems to have too. >What is it that I can do? Based on concerns expressed in previous posts, the best thing you can do is take it to private email. I support sharing live music, but I also support this list and think we all should heed the advice of Dana and Joe. Kevin From: Joel Mullen From: Joel Mullen From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: MikeVal777@a... Date: Fri Mar 26, 1999 4:29 pm Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16418 unsubscribe jon ward Fri 5/14/1999 2 KB 16516 unsubscribe jon ward Tue 5/18/1999 1 KB 17896 unsubscribe Carl Maestre Sat 9/18/1999 1 KB 27851 unsubscribe E Neal Frost Mon 7/23/2001 2 KB 29136 unsubscribe Rimas Lazutka Tue 9/18/2001 2 KB 31856 unsubscribe fozziebear Fri 2/1/2002 2 KB From: Frederic Yargui > Based on concerns expressed in previous posts, the best thing you can do is > take it to private email. I support sharing live music, but I also support > this list and think we all should heed the advice of Dana and Joe. > > Kevin > Dana Scully is on the list ??? !!! I DON'T BELIEVE !!!!!! Sorry, couldn't resist :-P fRed From: Frederic Yargui > From: Joel Mullen > > If anyone is looking for a new pair of shoes, > let me know off-list. I have some in all types > and sizes. > From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: Joel Mullen know what I mean squire? From: Vic Rek > From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > >Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:12:24 -0600 > >From: Joel Mullen > >Subject: Re: CD-R and ART trees > > >Well I am back now. Ready to talk about these new trees. I tried to get > >a CD-R tree going a few months ago. Everyone interested pretty much two > >things in common. No bootlegs to copy and no burner to do it. So I put > it on >hold for a > [......] > >Let me know if anyone is interested in the project and if they can/will > help me. > > Of course, we are interested. At least I know I am....but like you said... > no burner...although I do have some boots that everybody seems to have too. > What is it that I can do? > > Andrew From: 'Glyn G. Morton' From: Marcelo Gutierrez From: Vic Rek > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Re: Digest Number 9 > Date: Friday, March 26, 1999 8:34 PM > > From: Vic Rek > > Well, I am starting to think about selling off my nearly new Philips > CD-R 'hardware' recorder - the deleted series that accepts any CD-R if > you know the trick. The new model has been fixed to avoid this. Contact > me off list if you are serious about a hardware item like this. > > Keep Dreaming, > Vic > From: XxphyIeX@a... Date: Sun Mar 28, 1999 7:14 pm Subject: concerts on vhs... is anyone interested in any of the videos that i have for sale / trade?? if u are interested in other bands.. just let me know.. but this is what i have on td... currently... canyon dreams - legit 50mins? luminous visions - legit 50mins? sites & sounds fest engl '81 40mins seattle wash 10-25-92 (three phases) 80mins & coventry cathedral eng 10-4-75 40mins audience ...and i have some of the films that td did the music for as well... not many of them mind u.. but some. including sorcerer. ...and i have 3000 other videos of other bands if u are interested.. just email me and ask me for a list.. i will trade.. im seeking excellent condition copies of any cd by td or any member of td that i dont have. i would prefer legit copies rather than cdrs but will accept either... From: TheKobaian@xxx.xxx Date: Mon Mar 29, 1999 4:03 am Subject: Re: Negativland (no TD content, sorry) In a message dated 3/24/99 5:07:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, tadream@o... writes: << Then again, negativland have been fighting to get 'fair use' of sampling laws more well defined or deleted in the US. Island records ripped 'em a new one over negativland's 'cover' of U2's 'I still haven't found what I'm looking for' Or maybe it was Casey Kasem--since his potty-mouthed outtakes--were really the focus of the negativland cover. Gotta maintain that public image. >> At the risk of going off topic, Negativland was sued by both Island Records and Casey Kasem, but for entirely different reasons. Island sued because the release that Negativland put out could potentially be mistaken for an actual U2 release (I think it was something were both Negativland and U2 appeared on the cover, with nothing to distinguish which was the title and which was the artist). Casey sued because they used the now notorious tape of him being an asshole toward his co-workers. Interestingly, although the Negativland release did use extensive amounts of the actual U2 recording, that never came into the debate. In fact, I distinctly have the impression that if it had been up to the members of U2, they'd have been allowed to release the single (incidentally, Bono's been seen wearing a Negativland Dispepsi t-shirt, so apparently he actually likes what they're doing). May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris NP: Radio Free Kansas From: 'teiwaz _' From: 'Plumer, Scott' can anyone tell me the dates and venues played by tangerine dream >in Munich in 1976? They played the Circus Krone on October 27. There is a 94 min. tape available. Scott From: 'Glyn G. Morton' From: 'Plumer, Scott' Hi, some help please....I have been provided with a cdr Greece 83, Live at The Lycabettus Theatre. However after talking to James Owens, we`ve concluded that this gig is probably 06.10.84 Live At The Lycabettus Theatre, Athens. Can anyone confirm this.....did they play Greece `83 and `84? Glyn http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~smorton/ggm/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Have you visited our new web site? http://www.onelist.com Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm Thank you. From: 'Glyn G. Morton' I know it's June of '84 (from my book), but I didn't know it was the tenth. >How'd you get the date? > >Scott >Hi, > >some help please....I have been provided with a cdr Greece 83, Live at The >Lycabettus Theatre. However after talking to James Owens, we`ve concluded >that this gig is probably 06.10.84 Live At The Lycabettus Theatre, Athens. > >Can anyone confirm this.....did they play Greece `83 and `84? > From: 'Plumer, Scott' Hi Scott errr, I guessed!! Thanx for confirming...do you know the actual date? Glyn >I know it's June of '84 (from my book), but I didn't know it was the tenth. >How'd you get the date? > >Scott >Hi, > >some help please....I have been provided with a cdr Greece 83, Live at The >Lycabettus Theatre. However after talking to James Owens, we`ve concluded >that this gig is probably 06.10.84 Live At The Lycabettus Theatre, Athens. > >Can anyone confirm this.....did they play Greece `83 and `84? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If you like orange and blue, then you will love our new web site! http://www.onelist.com Onelist: Fostering connections and information exchange ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm Thank you. From: 'tom george' From: Joel Mullen From: Joel Mullen From: Joel Mullen > > Tangram is up to 78 now. Come one people keep voting! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Me no speak 'a good english I guess ;-) From: 'Plumer, Scott' Tangram is up to 78 now. Come one people keep voting! www.muze.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? http://www.onelist.com Sign up for a new email list today ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm Thank you. From: MikeVal777@xxx.xxx Date: Wed Mar 31, 1999 3:58 pm Subject: aaa unsubscribe tadream From: Sean Montgomery From: Joel Mullen From: 'Plumer, Scott' From: Joel Mullen From: Frederic Yargui From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > Can anyone make any sense out of any of these questions? And I have a > question about #4: An African or European dove? :-) > > Scott > > From: Jeff Stevenson From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >Can anyone make any sense out of any of these questions? And I have a >question about #4: An African or European dove? :-) > >Scott Hmmm....Good question. I don't know. YEEEEE-------AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! Sorry. Couldn't resist. From: Joel Mullen From: Joel Mullen From: 'Joe Shoults' Can anyone make any sense out of any of these questions? And I have a > question about #4: An African or European dove? :-) > > Scott geez- no doubt! -joe From: 'Joe Shoults' Having just visited the website for the competition, my conclusion is > that the Froese's are taking the piss. The question are of such a > degree that the slightest misunderstanding of their slightly > Euro-slanted English, would render the results way off... [...] > Lawry Simm Agreed about the Euro-slanted English, Lawry, but what does 'taking the piss' mean? And what about the Donald Duck thing? I mean, who doesn't know that DD has nephews, but not his own, er, ducklings? Yes, well, Happy April Fools, I guess. ...and BTW: the muze.com contest has been extended to April 7. -joe From: Daventura From: Daventura From: Frederic Yargui From: Daventura From: Frederic Yargui Fred writes: Mark, where are you??? I have good news for you... :-) What? No good news for the rest of us? [===============] No news, good news :-)) Fred From: PAULE POPO From: 'Joe Shoults' > Really-From: Joel Mullen |> > |> > Here are the 3 releases of the SBM Cyclone that I am aware of. If there |> > are more someone please let me know. All the SBM versions have similar numbering, |> > except the SBMs that were released in the USA under Virgin America... |> > Canada Virgin 7243 8 40251 20 TAND 9 |> > Holland Virgin 7243 8 40251 20 TAND 9 |> > U.K. Virgin 7243 8 40251 20 TAND 9 |> |> There is also the Brazilian release: Virgin 8 40251 2 |> There is also a UK mispressing with another band on it. |> |> Vic [...] |> >ok |> >what is SBM version?? [...] |> |> SBM is an acronym used by Virgin (I believe) to designate an electronic |> re-processing that improves the overall sound of some of the |> older releases. I |> don't know the technology, but the SOUND is definitely better. |> |> John Poer |> |> jp |> |> 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15505 Re: what does SBM mean? Antonio Nunes Tue 4/6/1999 1 KB 15507 Re: what does SBM mean? Frederic Yargui Tue 4/6/1999 2 KB 15509 Re: what does SBM mean? Frederic Yargui Tue 4/6/1999 1 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' From: 'paul todd' From: XxphyIeX@xxx.xxx Date: Tue Apr 6, 1999 9:57 am Subject: i just got i just picked up 3 cds last week.. sndtrck to dead solid perfect... i should have thought about this one a few more mins.. i wouldnt have gotten it.. it has 22 songs on it.. meaning none are worth listening to since they all end in less than 3 mins.. if they were all 10 mins or more.. theyd be good.. otherwise this sucks... but the pieces are hot... i also got two others called atlantic bridges and walls.. respectively... u wouldnt know it unless u are able to memorize song titles.. that these are compilations but they just came out last week... and they do feature some hard to find pieces but they are still compilations without any rare or previously unreleased music.. so that was $18 each for 3 cds.. that i wish i had spent on something else... altho the pieces on the last two cds are great.. i didnt know i didnt need them til i got them home and i dont have the heart to return them... and i dont have all the stuff on them but i probably will sooner or later if i can find the full cds they came from... im seeking people who are interested in obtaining concerts on video that i have... including some td vids.. i will sell what i have or... i prefer to trade ... i will accept high quality cdrs or legit cds.. that i dont have... i dont have any cdr bootlegs.. at all.. so if u have anything u dont need or want or u are able to copy something u do have and want to keep... please let me know... i can offer anything from my video collection... in trade... im willing to take two cds per video.. if u want my list of concert videos.. email me and ask for it.. From: XxphyIeX@xxx.xxx Date: Tue Apr 6, 1999 9:59 am Subject: Re: Digest Number 22 In a message dated 4/6/99 5:43:35 AM EDT, tadream@o... writes: << From: 'paul todd' Subject: (no subject) Can anybody answer the following question? How many albums (excluding duplicate releases and solo works) have been produced by Tangerine Dream? You can include compilations. Let me know as eventually I'd like to collect them all! >> i have seen books of over 150 pages devoted to this question... and i even have two of them... one isnt that big.. the other is only half of a two book set.. and its over an inch thick... From: Antonio Nunes > Thanks for the explanation of what 'SBM' version means- I wondering myself! > -joe Why do you answer on this list? This thread was from the _other_ list! IMHO the creation of this list was a great idea when the other list was shut down, but now that it was reopened, I don't see any reason for the existence of 2 different TD lists. Antonio From: 'Plumer, Scott' How many albums (excluding duplicate releases and solo works) have been produced by Tangerine Dream? This is pasted from my book: 25 Studio albums 9 Live albums 21 Compilations 26 Soundtracks 33 Singles 110 Total The studio and live albums are all still in print, and thus are pretty easy to find. The ST's come and go, and the singles usually get deleted once they've been initially released and are rare finds indeed. The comps are ostly still available. Scott From: Frederic Yargui Thanks for the explanation of what 'SBM' version means- I wondering myself! -joe |> >ok |> >what is SBM version?? [...] |> |> SBM is an acronym used by Virgin (I believe) to designate an electronic |> re-processing that improves the overall sound of some of the |> older releases. I |> don't know the technology, but the SOUND is definitely better. |> |> John Poer |> [===============] It means SUPER BIT MAPPING. The format for CDDA (compact disc digital audio) is 16bit @ 44kHz (really 44.1 kHz) SBM has a resolution of 20 (maybe 24) bit. Some ears can hear the difference. eg, some DAT (recorder) has a key 'SBM'. But when you listen to a CD, you hear 16bit again... well, SBM is like AAD versus DDD compact discs : there is one stage where the sound processing has been made a better way than the 'normal' way. HTH... with those clumsy info, Fred From: 'Robert M Rancich' From: Frederic Yargui From: Frederic Yargui Hello Everyone! I'm new to this list and I just wanted to say Hello! to everyone. [===============] Hello, Single One !! Actually not new but re-joining after an absence of a few years. TD is great - isn't it? I've been a fan now for almost 10 years. [===============] And now, it's over? My favorite period is the Virgin years with Schmoeling and Franke. Can anyone tell me if there's anything like a consensus on this point? [===============] I like Schmoelling & Franke but I _love_ Linda Spa. (BTW, Linda Kohanov too... hehe just bought two -rare- CD from their web...) By the way - the last TD studio release bought by me was Goblin's Club. Have they released any studio productions after this and if so are they worth buying? [===============] hmmmm....... timesquare?? Ask Morgan on the other list :-) (-: Don't buy Ambient Monkeys :-( )-: IMHO of course. Later! Bob [===============] So long, Fred From: 'Plumer, Scott' I'm new to this list and I just wanted to say Hello! to everyone. >Actually not new but re-joining after an absence of a few years. >TD is great - isn't it? I've been a fan now for almost 10 years. > My favorite period is the Virgin years with Schmoeling and Franke. >Can anyone tell me if there's anything like a consensus on this >point? Years? Wrong list! :-) >By the way - the last TD studio release bought by me was Goblin's Club. >Have they released any studio productions after this and if so >are they worth buying? Ha ha! You opened up a 55-gal. drum of worms with that question! They've had several releases since GC, but none have really seen major distribution. Stadouts were Oasis, Ambient Monkeys, and The Keep soundtrack. Yes, I said the Keep, but don't get yer panties in a bunch. Only a few tracks from the film appear on the ST. It's still good, though, if you out aside the expectation of it actually having the film music. Problem was, they only made a few hundred (forget the exact #) and sold them on their '97 UK tour. Ambient Monkeys was a collection of music and sound effects they played before their shows in '97, and is, IMHO, a masterpiece. Oasis is the weakest of the three, but still very good. It's a ST to a Canyon Dreams-style video. Other recent releases include Tournado, live from Zabrze, '97, which is OK, not super; Jim & Pablo, der Meteor, a ST for a kid's story that's supposed to be pretty bad, but I haven't heard it; Timesquare: Dream Mixes II, another Dream Mixes collection which is good if you like that sort of thing; and last but not least Dream Dice, a 12-Cd collection of 6 previous recent releases and 6 new releases that escape me at the moment, which are also available separately. Wow, now that I think about it, perhaps you should check CDNow or the TDI site to find out about all these. There are several you might find interesting. Or you could buy a copy of my TD book... Scott From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Williams [mailto:matthew.williams@n...] > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 4:32 AM > To: tadream-owner@O... > Subject: Re: [tadream] /unsub/Acoupleofquickquestionsasyouleave....txt > > > Using mail from work. No other reason. Love TD though. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tadream-owner@O... > To: matthew.williams@n... > Date: 06 April 1999 09:19 > Subject: [tadream] /unsub/Acoupleofquickquestionsasyouleave....txt > > > >Subject: A couple of quick questions as you leave... > > > >Sorry to see you leave our community of Tangerine Dream fans. > > > >Sometimes, people unsubscribe because they go on vacation, change their > e-mail address, or have other considerations. Hopefully, this is the case > with you, and we will see you back soon. > > > >However, if you have unsubscribed because you were dissatisfied with this > list, would you please give us some feeback? > > > >What were you expecting from the list? > >Did it not fulfill your expectations? > >Is there anything we could have done to make it better? > > > >Any feedback will be greatly appreciated, as we want only to > make this list > as beneficial to its members as possible. > > > >Sincerely, > >Joe Shoults, listowner > >tadream-owner@O... > > > From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Daventura [mailto:tadream@v...] > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 1999 5:46 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Sorry > > > From: Daventura > > OK, maybe I was being a bit hasty. Things are kind of hectic here. > Who wants to be the first to invite me to stay? (Doing my best Ben > Stein impression) Anyone?...Anyone? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Have you visited our new web site? > http://www.onelist.com > Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML > option, and appropriately editing original messages in your > replies. Visit the tadream website at > http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm > Thank you. > From: 'teiwaz _' >a ST for a kid's story that's supposed to be pretty bad I know about Rumplestiltskin--do you mean something else? --Thomas _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From: Joel Mullen From: 'teiwaz _' > > > From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >a ST for a kid's story that's supposed to be pretty bad > > I know about Rumplestiltskin--do you mean something else? > > --Thomas > I am sure he is talking about Jim & Pablo. While Rumplestiltskin is a great soundtrack it is even better because after the music+words on the CD there is all the music minus the words. J&P just has words and music. And unless you know German (and maybe if you do) it is simple annoying. The music just gets going and then there is *who knows what* being said. For completists only for a long time when it was rare and expensive. Now it is available for $15 or so. Joel From: 'paul todd' From: yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Wed Apr 7, 1999 7:36 am Subject: Re: Hello Everyone! Greetings everyone ---------- > De : Joel Mullen > A : 'tadream@o...' > Objet : [tadream] Re: Hello Everyone! > Date : mercredi 7 avril 1999 18:37 > > From: Joel Mullen > > I am sure he is talking about Jim & Pablo. While Rumplestiltskin is a great > soundtrack it is even better because after the music+words on the CD there > is all the music minus the words. It's not entirely true because there's a piece, a little sequenced one, you can hear in the story but it never appeared after as a single track Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Conceptions Visuelles Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: Joel Mullen > From: Joel Mullen > > > > I am sure he is talking about Jim & Pablo. While Rumplestiltskin is a > great > > soundtrack it is even better because after the music+words on the CD > there > > is all the music minus the words. > > It's not entirely true because there's a piece, a little sequenced one, you > can hear in the story but it never appeared after as a single track > > Friendly from France > > Yannick Edom I guess I never got that far! :-D Joel From: XxphyIeX@a... Date: Wed Apr 7, 1999 10:57 am Subject: scotts book In a message dated 4/7/99 6:47:00 AM EDT, tadream@o... writes: << Or you could buy a copy of my TD book... >> i bought this.. um well. ok traded for it.. and it is one of my few prize possessions.. however.. i think additions should be sent to those who want them... if i was to receive some additional pages to insert in my copy of this book.. theres no telling how fast i would compensate the author.. hehe... take my word for it people.. . get this fucking book... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15520 Re: scotts book j.gordon Wed 4/7/1999 2 KB 15522 Re: scotts book Plumer, Scott Wed 4/7/1999 2 KB 15523 Re: scotts book Plumer, Scott Wed 4/7/1999 3 KB 15532 Re: scotts book Jim Moore Wed 4/7/1999 1 KB From: 'j.gordon' From: XxphyIeX@a... > > In a message dated 4/7/99 6:47:00 AM EDT, > tadream@o... writes: > > << Or you could buy a copy of my TD book... >> > > i bought this.. um well. ok traded for it.. and it > is one of my few > prize possessions.. however.. i think additions > should be sent > to those who want them... > > if i was to receive some additional pages to insert > in my copy > of this book.. theres no telling how fast i would > compensate > the author.. hehe... > > take my word for it people.. . get this fucking > book... > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > You can now easily share photos and documents with > your fellow list members > http://www.ONElist.com > Check out our homepage for details on how to use our > new shared files feature! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off > your HTML option, and appropriately editing original > messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website > at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm > Thank you. > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Plumer, Scott' From: 'Plumer, Scott' >a ST for a kid's story that's supposed to be pretty bad I know about Rumplestiltskin--do you mean something else? --Thomas _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you hogging all the fun? http://www.ONElist.com Friends tell friends about ONElist! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm Thank you. From: 'Plumer, Scott' > i bought this.. um well. ok traded for it.. and it is one of my few prize possessions.. however.. i think additions should be sent to those who want them... if i was to receive some additional pages to insert in my copy of this book.. theres no telling how fast i would compensate the author.. hehe... take my word for it people.. . get this fucking book... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You can now easily share photos and documents with your fellow list members http://www.ONElist.com Check out our homepage for details on how to use our new shared files feature! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm Thank you. From: 'Plumer, Scott' What's this I hear about a book? What book... 'We need Information, Information, Information...' Let me know where to go to buy the Who' ting... j.gordon --- XxphyIeX@a... wrote: > From: XxphyIeX@a... > > In a message dated 4/7/99 6:47:00 AM EDT, > tadream@o... writes: > > << Or you could buy a copy of my TD book... >> > > i bought this.. um well. ok traded for it.. and it > is one of my few > prize possessions.. however.. i think additions > should be sent > to those who want them... > > if i was to receive some additional pages to insert > in my copy > of this book.. theres no telling how fast i would > compensate > the author.. hehe... > > take my word for it people.. . get this fucking > book... > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > You can now easily share photos and documents with > your fellow list members > http://www.ONElist.com > Check out our homepage for details on how to use our > new shared files feature! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off > your HTML option, and appropriately editing original > messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website > at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm > Thank you. > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Start a new hobby. Meet a new friend. http://www.ONElist.com ONElist: The leading provider of free e-mail list services! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm Thank you. From: 'Plumer, Scott' From: Joel Mullen From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > Can someone provide me with a good-sized color scan of the front and back of > 'Patrolling Space Borders'? Thanks. > > Scott > Scott- I can, I just did that for someone else. How big of a file can I send you and to which address. Joel From: 'J. Lee Jolley' From: TJames0001@xxx.xxx Date: Wed Apr 7, 1999 5:29 pm Subject: Re: (no subject) Hi I have the keep... How much do you want to pay? From: Joel Mullen I can't get 'The Keep' from anywhere???? :-( > any ideas????? The Keep was released in limited quantities during the second 1/2 of the 1997 world tour. Only 150 are said to exist. The current price for an original CD is close to $200 if you can find someone who will part with it. Of course there are always people who make CD-R copies of these hard-to-find releases. Contact me off-list if you want to talk about these horrible people. Such vile language should not be used in a public forum. From: Joel Mullen From: TJames0001@a... > > Hi > I have the keep... > > How much do you want to pay? Which 'keep' are you referring to? The 'blue moon bootleg' is not the official release BTW Neither is the Fantasy Merchants release. From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' It means SUPER BIT MAPPING. The format for CDDA (compact disc digital > audio) is 16bit @ 44kHz (really 44.1 kHz) > SBM has a resolution of 20 (maybe 24) bit. Some ears can hear the > difference. > > eg, some DAT (recorder) has a key 'SBM'. > > But when you listen to a CD, you hear 16bit again... well, SBM is like AAD > versus DDD compact discs : there is one stage where the sound processing > has been made a better way than the 'normal' way. > > HTH... with those clumsy info, > > Fred Hi I wanted to point out the reason of SBM. When the digital media appeared, back in 1978 or so, every electronics engineer who attended to an analog to digital conversion lecture though he knew everything about sampling and digital conversion. (That technique was developed a decade earlier to be used in digital communications equipment and digital signal analysis ( lab and scientific equipment)). Everybody supposed that with a 16 bit sampling would result in a 16 bit resolution; and also everybody 'knew' it doesn't matter whether the audio signal had more than 96 dB S/n ratio or not the conversion process would be equally accurate. The problem with poor A/D conversion began to be noticed well into the top 80'ies beginning of the 90'ies when in controlled tests a lot of listeners ( with not so golden ears) noticed the difference between an analog original and it's digital master. The problem became more emphasized with the introduction of 16 bit digital mixing consoles. So thousands of records delivered to the public in the 80ies had a flawed A/D conversion. But NOT the ones result of direct analog master- to digital CD Let's say many AAD CD's sounded way better than the DDD counterparts. If you try to mix an analog level A with the analog level B the result would be A+B. but what happens when you do this in the digital domain? You're loosing resolution. Since a digital mix console is a series od additions or subtractions ( remember a digital filter is no more than additions/ substations/ divisions) so when that operation takes place 100 times you end up with a dull sound much poorer than the analog counterpart. Let's say that the a normal 16 bit master has always more than 16 bit resolution, even if you don't want it, so there are sub bit information you're loosing when processing in 16 bits. and it's a very important information specially at low levels. that lost info is stereo image, reverb and echo info. And also subtle digital distortion becomes more and more evident as the ear is trained to 'see' the difference between a non distorted and a digitally distorted signal. So what's SBM? SBM is a process, patented by SONY, but with a lot of non patented variants spread in all the modern recording and processing equipment. when using SBM signal is recorded at 20-24 bits added to a special 'noise' signal with a volume close the the lowest bit resolution and then truncate the result to the appropriate bit resolution ( 8 16 or 20 bits). That way, the digital chain except for the last step takes place at 24 or 32 or 64 bits to keep the signal processing as accurate as possible avoiding sub bit erasing and the digital distortion problem. The final step assures, also that, the resolution is near to 20 bits at frequencies below 5 kHz and near to 18 bits below 10 Khz so on the 99,9% of the audible signal you're getting at least 2 more bits resolution and 2 more bits mean you get 4 times more dynamic range( 12 dB). and on the 70% of the audio signal ( remember treble begin at 2-3Khz!!) you're getting 4 more bits or 16 times the dynamic range (24 dB) !! Hilmar kraft has an analogy: it's like the picture on a magazine. it's composed of tinny dots of cyan-yellow-blue that you see only of you get close enough, else you see a nice good picture. SBM uses special signal whose power frequencies lie at the 16 Kz range and above; and it's level is so tinny its around 80-90 dB below the average audio signal. No human ear ( be it golden or nor) is able to hear that noise !!!) and this special 'noise' improves the resolution of the audible signal so much that the noise floor instead of being at 96 dB is at 135 dB ( A weighted). The value of SBM lies in the process it self. It's not necessary to have an SBM 'aware' CD player. Plain CD players benefit from the SBM A/D processing since the effect lies in the recording step. Once you get an SBM digital master the info encoded in it will be audible in a normal 16 bit D/A CD/DAT player. Hope this helps a bit ( sorry if i'm too technical) ---francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15531 Re: ABOUT SBM 16 BITS ETC JMPoer Wed 4/7/1999 1 KB From: JMPoer From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > >Hi > >I wanted to point out the reason of SBM. > < snip> Thanks Francisco, That's about the BEST explanation of the WHY and the HOW of SBM I've ever seen. Thanks again. John M. Poer jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: 'Jim Moore' i bought this.. um well. ok traded for it.. and it is one of my few >prize possessions.. however.. i think additions should be sent >to those who want them... > >take my word for it people.. . get this fucking book... I'll second the praise for this book: I've found it to be a very good resource for a lot of information. I'm a real goof for wanting to know specifics like recording dates and such, and Scott's book goes a long way towards answering a lot of those questions. - jim Now Playing: Boston - BEST OF BOSTON ============================================== 'You're gonna need a bigger boat...' -- Roy Schieder - JAWS jimbo@v... = Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www.jimbo.vivid.net From: Joel Mullen Any new Albums on the way??? on April 30 Sohoman-Live in Sydney 1982 Live coming 99 Star Trooper-The Classical Edge of Tangerine Dream Studio coming 99 Twilight Folder Compilation coming 99 Antique Dreams Compilation coming 99 Soundmill Navigator-Live at the Philharmonics 1976 Live coming 99 Lion's Share Studio on April 16 What a Blast Album in June 99 Architecture in Motion (What a Blast -1 track) Album&Video in May 99 Mars Polaris -Disk 1 Soundtrack in June 99 Mars Polaris -Disk 2 Soundtrack From: Mats Nordlinder From: TJames0001@xxx.xxx Date: Thu Apr 8, 1999 7:05 am Subject: Re: more live-albums ? Anyone know where I can get Dream Dice in the states? From: 'j.gordon' wrote: > From: Mats Nordlinder > > Hi everyone ! > > Valentine´s Wheel........is it good? should I get it? > > Sohoman and Soundmill Navigator.....sounds great....but... > will they release more live-albums in the future and from which year? > > all the best from Mats in Sweden > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Did you know that ONElist hosts some of the largest lists on the Internet? > http://www.ONElist.com > Our scaleable system is the most reliable free e-mail service on the > Internet! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option, and > appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream > website at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm > Thank you. > === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. jerome =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Joe Shoults' From: 'J. Lee Jolley' From: 'J. Lee Jolley' From: Frederic Yargui From: Frederic Yargui From: Marcelo Gutierrez To: tadream@o... Subject: [tadream] Transsiberia vs Destination Berlin?? Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 6:36 PM I've just been looking at the review for Transsiberia soundtrack on TDIs' Home page. Anyone heard it yet? Has anyone got any feed back on it??? I see Quinoa has also been released.... and Valentine Wheels.... I don't think I will have any money left when I get paid must have all TD material..... can't resist it's pull!!! :-) Wonder if Transsiberia is as good as Destination Berlin....? Transsiberia is at least 10 times better, I would say the best TD album since a long while, get it! Marcelo From: JMPoer ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenne, Severed Dreams... Shadow TURN OFF YOUR HTML !!!!!! John I may be old, but I know what I DON'T LIKE! From: 'teiwaz _' From: 'j.gordon' wrote: > I've just been looking at the review for Transsiberia soundtrack on TDIs' > Home page. > Anyone heard it yet? Has anyone got any feed back on it??? > I see Quinoa has also been released.... > and Valentine Wheels.... > Wonder if Transsiberia is as good as Destination Berlin....? Hi, j.gordon here. I have Transsibera soundtrack, Quinoa, Valentine Wheels and Destination Berlin... IMHO, Destination Berlin, a personal fave, is what I call 'a bit of the cheese', in the composition style, something I love... Transsibera has none of that... it is a different compositional package and, in the end, it would be similar to comparing Live Miles with 220 volt: both are good in their own right, but come from different periods in TD history and so, depending on your sway, you may like one or t'other better... however, suffice it to say that Transsibera is really, really good... FYI, there is a heavy 'quote' (to use a Jazz term) in one of the last tracks from Optical Race... Quinoa, is, after many listenings, IMO, one of the best studio albums to come out since Melrose... really strong pieces... If you have to buy just one album in the next moon, be it Quinoa... Valentine Wheels is fabulous... can't go wrong there... From a Rising Runner to an Endless Sender... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' contest ? :-) j.gordon here... Clue: use those search engines... =:^1> From a Rising Runner to an Endless Sender... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' wrote: > From: 'teiwaz _' > > was reading the liner notes for Hans Zimmer's Millenium soundtrack and > it was mentioned that he was in Tangerine Dream. Any idea when this > was? perhaps before the Virgin years? > > --teiwaz j.gordon here... I follow movie score composers... Hans is one of the top ten... can you imagine a teaming of TD and HZ... wow, I would like to hear that score... From a Rising Runner to and Endless Sender... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'anthony simeone' From: tadream@o... >Reply-To: tadream@o... >To: tadream@o... >Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 25 >Date: 9 Apr 1999 10:00:19 -0000 >Are you hogging all the fun? >Friends tell friends about ONElist! >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >There are 11 messages in this issue. >Topics in today's digest: > 1. Edgar bestows his blessings on tadream@o...! > From: 'Joe Shoults' > 2. Transsiberia vs Destination Berlin?? > From: 'J. Lee Jolley' > 3. Quinoa > From: 'J. Lee Jolley' > 4. TR: [tadream] Quinoa > From: Frederic Yargui > 5. TR: [tadream] Transsiberia vs Destination Berlin?? > From: Frederic Yargui > 6. Re: Transsiberia vs Destination Berlin?? > From: Marcelo Gutierrez > 7. Re: Quinoa > From: JMPoer > 8. Hans Zimmer--in TD when? > From: 'teiwaz _' > 9. Re: Transsiberia vs Destination Berlin?? > From: 'j.gordon' > 10. Re: TR: [tadream] Quinoa > From: 'j.gordon' > 11. Re: Hans Zimmer--in TD when? > From: 'j.gordon' _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 1:14 pm Subject: Re: Quinoa > < snip> > ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' > Delenne, Severed Dreams... > Shadow > > TURN OFF YOUR HTML !!!!!! > John Yes. (thanks, John) Shadow, and anybody else that needs instructions: Here are instructions on how to turn off your HTML: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm I have added this to the message footer until the message gets across. -joe listowner From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick) Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 1:20 pm Subject: French TD LPs to trade Greetings everyone, i looked at my collection and i found somme french TD LPs i have to trade. I know some of you could be interested. Here they are - Alpha Centauri (Cosmic couriers/OHR) - Atem (Clémentine) - Rubycon (Virgin) - Ricochet (Virgin) - Stratosfear (Virgin) - Sorcerer (Virgin) - Cyclone (Virgin) - Force Majeure (Virgin) - Tangram (Virgin) - Thief (Virgin) - Exit (Virgin) - Risky Business (Virgin) - Poland (Jive France) - Aqua (single cover) by froese (Virgin) - Romance 76 by Baumann (Virgin) I also have some boot LPs to trade too - Bicycle Race (multicoloured vinyl) - Timeless Space (double LP) - Soudtrack BOX (4 Cassettes BOX) All are in good condition I also am looking for the Ossiach Live triple LP and the Baumann/Koek LP Friendly from France. Yannick Edom Mirage Conceptions Visuelles Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15552 Re: French TD LPs to trade Joe Shoults Fri 4/9/1999 1 KB 15574 Re: French TD LPs to trade Vic Rek Sat 4/10/1999 1 KB 15576 Re: French TD LPs to trade Vic Rek Sat 4/10/1999 1 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 1:45 pm Subject: Self-quote j.gordon here. I checked on that 'quote' on the last track of Transsibera, The Golden Horn. The quote comes from Optical Race track 8, Turning Off the Wheel. I call it a quote because it is not simply a use of the same tone, but also of the same rhythm/pattern. The new piece is just as good as the old. From a Rising Runner to an Endless Sender j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 1:51 pm Subject: Re: French TD LPs to trade Hello everyone- If you wish to respond to Yannick, please do it privately (off-list). Thank you, joe shoults listowner > From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick) > Greetings everyone, > > i looked at my collection and i found somme french TD LPs i have to trade. From: 'Plumer, Scott' Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 2:42 pm Subject: HTML The other option is to get mail programs that read HTML (like mine :-). Scott -----Original Message----- From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@c...] Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 9:14 AM To: tadream@o... Subject: [tadream] Re: Quinoa From: 'Joe Shoults' > < snip> > ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' > Delenne, Severed Dreams... > Shadow > > TURN OFF YOUR HTML !!!!!! > John Yes. (thanks, John) Shadow, and anybody else that needs instructions: Here are instructions on how to turn off your HTML: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm I have added this to the message footer until the message gets across. -joe listowner ------------------------------------------------------------------------ New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? http://www.ONElist.com Sign up for a new e-mail list today! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm Thank you. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15554 Re: HTML Joe Shoults Fri 4/9/1999 1 KB 15555 Re: HTML James Horecka, AIA Fri 4/9/1999 1 KB 15558 Re: HTML JMPoer Fri 4/9/1999 1 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 2:42 pm Subject: Re: HTML > The other option is to get mail programs that read HTML (like mine :-). Yes, but as Spock said, 'The needs of the many...' ;-) -Joe From: 'James Horecka, AIA' Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 3:22 pm Subject: Re: HTML It is simply customary in a listserv to send 'plain text' to the list. Your address book in your e-mail application should have a setting that allows you to check a box such as 'Send E-mail using plain text only' for just that particular address. It's that easy, and it's the proper protocol, certainly important to get straight at the beginning with new lists. It doesn't mean you have to send plain text to everyone, or even think about it again once you make the setting. Just the list. And it's not because others can or cannot see the html. There are other reasons, too, including bandwidth, speed, and the 'spirit' of a listserv. Looking forward to hearing news about my favorite artists. From: 'Plumer, Scott' Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 5:12 pm Subject: Re: Hans Zimmer--in TD when? >was reading the liner notes for Hans Zimmer's Millenium soundtrack and >it was mentioned that he was in Tangerine Dream. Any idea when this >was? perhaps before the Virgin years? Zimmer was never in TD. Here's a list of all the current & former TD members and their approximate tenure, from my book: Edgar Froese: 1967 - present Kurt Herkenberg: 1967 Volker Hombach: 1967 Lanse Hapshash: 1967 Charly Prince: 1967 Paul Wheeler: 1967 - 1969? Sven Ake Johanson: 1967 - 1969 Steve Joliffe: 1967 - 1969? Nik Turner: 1967 - 1969? Klaus Schulze: 1969 - 1970 Conrad Schnitzler: 1969 - 1970 Steve Schryoder: 1970 - 1971 Chris Franke: 1970 - 1987 Peter Baumann: 1971 - 1977 Michael Hoenig: 1975 Klaus Krieger: 1978 - 1979 Johannes Schmoelling: 1979 - 1985 Paul Haslinger: 1986 - 1990 Ralf Wadephal: 1988 - 1989 Jerome Froese: 1990 - present Linda Spa: 1990 - 1997 Zlatko Perica: 1992 - 1995, 1997 Marc Alexej: 1997 Emil Hachfeld: 1997 - present This includes everyone who could be counted as an actual member, not just guest musicians. Scott From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 6:32 pm Subject: Re: Hans Zimmer--in TD when? > From: 'teiwaz _' > was reading the liner notes for Hans Zimmer's Millenium soundtrack and > it was mentioned that he was in Tangerine Dream. Any idea when this > was? perhaps before the Virgin years? Are you sure it said he was 'in' TD, or worked 'with' TD? Maybe it was on a soundtrack- does it mention the movie? From: JMPoer Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 6:22 pm Subject: Re: HTML At 10:42 AM 4/9/1999 -0400, you wrote: >From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >The other option is to get mail programs that read HTML (like mine :-). > >Scott Yes that's true, an mine actually does, BUT if you take a look at the Digests, (especially the original list) you'll see that the digest compilers don't understand HTML and just make a hash of all the messages that follow an HTML message. I KEEP the digests as reference and discard the immediate messages as they get old, but many of the digests are virtually unreadable now, because of the HTML problem. Dave Datta says that problem really can't be fixed for now. So that's why I complained. Thanks. John Poer jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: Frederic Yargui Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 8:03 pm Subject: Re: TR: [tadream] Quinoa From: 'j.gordon' BTW any clue for question #1 of the new > contest ? :-) j.gordon here... Clue: use those search engines... =:^1> [===============] The problem is : Project Ozma was a project in which F Drake heared the emission of other galaxies (I sum up volontarily) and NOT sending anything to eventual ET!! Pionner and Voyager are NOT included in Ozma (am I wrong?) Fred- presently known as a web surfer who already asked some search engines. From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 9:48 pm Subject: NEW MEMBER New to the internet but very pleased to find loads of information about T.D Its been a long time since I've seen them live about five years or so . I was also pleased to find the band were still performing live as I have been off the scene for a while ,work etc. It will take me a while to get the hang of things but will be glad to receive any mail you lot out ther wish to send. Talk to you soon. From: 'Ambassador Nelaskon' Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 10:37 pm Subject: Greetings Dreamers! Hey, what's up? Tangerine Dream rocks. You all rock. Anyway, I am making a 4CD collection of TD fom 1980-1998. I also plan on making copies and giving them to some friends and such. Anyway, the first CD is IMO very easy. I know exactly what has to be on there (but I need Thief). I DO know which albums I want on which CDs though. CD1: Tangram - Hyperborea CD2: Poland - Miracle Mile CD3: Lily - Tyranny CD4: DM1 - Transsiberia Right now I'm having a major problem with the last one, and I may have trouble with 2 and 3. So here's my question for you. If you were to put together 78 minutes of TD from the following albums, what would it be? Here they are: Dream Mixes One Goblins' Club Oasis Tournado TimeSquare Transsiberia Here's what I WANT to put on it: Sojus - Towards The Evening Star Lamb With Radar Eyes Elf June And The Midnight Patrol - Waterborne Summer Storm - 220 Volt BVV Little Blond In The Park Of Attractions Touchwood FM - Evening Star BGM Pixel Pirates - Siberian Lights This is obviously negotiable, but I think this captures the best. I put 3 from GC on there because it seems like the only way the CD will have direction... Anyway, it's a little too long. What would YOU do with it? ThanX! -Nelaskon ECA --- 'Never stop Dreaming. When you forget how to Dream, you forget how to live.' -maX Verran [Aurealis] Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://personal.lycos.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15563 Re: Greetings Dreamers! Joe Shoults Fri 4/9/1999 1 KB 15564 Re: Greetings Dreamers! Sean Montgomery Sat 4/10/1999 1 KB 15577 Re: Greetings Dreamers! Vic Rek Sat 4/10/1999 1 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 10:50 pm Subject: new website location active! Hello friends- Ahead of schedule, we have opened the new, simpler URL location for the tadream listserve homepage. The new address is: http://tadream.copfer.com. A redirect has been placed on the old site that will bounce you to the new one, but replace your bookmarks so that you do not get that annoying pop-up window. If you would like for us to link to your own site, or know of TD-related sites not listed, let us know. In fact, let us know if you have any ideas in general, as we are currently building a newer, multimedia-enhanced site in the background. Enjoy! -joe shoults listowner From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 10:56 pm Subject: Re: Greetings Dreamers! Welcome, and thanks for joining, Ambassador! Please be aware that the open discussion of bootlegging and/or piracy cannot be condoned, advocated or supported by this list. Please keep any such discussions on a private level. THANKS, joe shoults, listowner > -----Original Message----- > Anyway, I am making a 4CD collection of TD fom 1980-1998. I > also plan on making copies and giving them to some friends and > such. Anyway, the first CD is IMO very easy. I know exactly what > > ThanX! > > -Nelaskon ECA > From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 11:10 pm Subject: Re: Greetings Dreamers! > So here's my question for you. If you were to put together 78 minutes > of TD from the following albums, what would it be? I made a 60 minute tape covering this period last year. I called it 'Tangerine Dream Shakes Your Ass' Anyway, here's what I'd do with 78 minutes: Virtually Fields (6:50) Rough Embrace (5:30) Sojus (9:19) Touchwood (Radio Version) (4:02) San Rocco (7:17) Towards the Evening Star (Original Version) (6:16) Waterborne (original version) (7:20) Flashflood (7:01) Digital Sister (7:10) Timesquare (8:42) Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe (Sunset radio mix) (4:08) Baikal Sunrise (4:42) Total: 77:17 As you can see, I have a fondness for The Dream Mixes. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'J. Lee Jolley' Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 11:22 pm Subject: Re: - Transsiberia vs Destination Berlin I agree with everyone who has answered this thread. TD grows on you. I remember the first time I Listened to 'oasis' Everyone had been raving on about it, to be honest I didn't rate among the greats....... Then after a few weeks I REALLY LISTENED to it and found how good it really was. There are no best, greatest hits. You could ask me my favourite of the moment and I'd say.. 'This week it's Song of the whale Pt2. From Underwater Sunlight.' Last week I would have said, 'Twenty-Nine Palms from Lily on the Beach.' But I still have to say that I'm really looking forword to my next TD Albums. :-) ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenne, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'J. Lee Jolley' Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 11:49 pm Subject: (no subject) I've sorted out my HTML blunder Sorry peeps Didn't realise I was doin' it till I got your messages...... ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenne, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'James Horecka, AIA' Date: Sat Apr 10, 1999 12:43 am Subject: Re: (no subject) Hey, Shadow, I see you, too, are a B5 fan. I got 'turned on' to TD after buying CF's Babylon 5 Soundtrack CD at a Sci-Fi convention several years ago. One thing led to another. The second CD I bought was Ricochet, what a great place to start! Shadow, do you have a pretty good collection of the B5 'Episodic' CD's? I've got many, including some specials. With the new B5 spin-off, 'Crusade,' the show uses a different composer/musician, no more CF for the moment. I wonder what he'll be up to? CF's Sonic Images is a good www site to visit. James E. Horecka, AIA ARCHITECT 32902 Haddock Street Winchester, California 92596 http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka jhorecka@p... 909-926-4138 -----Original Message----- From: J. Lee Jolley >' If you value your lives be some were else. ' >Delenne, Severed Dreams... From: Daventura Date: Sat Apr 10, 1999 8:47 am Subject: Joe and The List Police I was and still am a happy member of the 'other' list. Or as some might call it, the 'original' list. I take offense to your slamming of the 'unmoderated' forum that we all grew to love and depend on for up to the date news and information. Of course, we strayed from 'on topics' once in awhile, but we always came back to TD. If it weren't for Dave Datta, none of us would even know each other. As far as bootleg/fantapes are concerned, this is my opinion: If you can't buy it in a store, you can make as many copies of it as you like. (Just for personal friends and family or fellow listees, not for profit) I mean this Joe, don't get me wrong...I'm sure that this list will surely prosper. With a link on the TD homepage, I'm sure that this list will quickly outgrow the 'old' list. But please, don't forget where you came from. Perhaps I'm just pissed because you took the initiative to start this list before I did. But then again, my Spice Girls list is flourishing... Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.... Daventura...NOT the listowner Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15575 Re: Joe and The List Police Vic Rek Sat 4/10/1999 2 KB From: PAULE POPO wrote: > From: Daventura > > I was and still am a happy member of the 'other' > list. Or as some might > call it, the 'original' list. I take offense to your > slamming of the > 'unmoderated' forum that we all grew to love and > depend on for > up to the date news and information. Of course, we > strayed from > 'on topics' once in awhile, but we always came back > to TD. > If it weren't for Dave Datta, none of us would even > know each > other. As far as bootleg/fantapes are concerned, > this is my opinion: > If you can't buy it in a store, you can make as many > copies of it as you like. > (Just for personal friends and family or fellow > listees, not for profit) > I mean this Joe, don't get me wrong...I'm sure that > this list will > surely prosper. With a link on the TD homepage, I'm > sure that > this list will quickly outgrow the 'old' list. But > please, don't forget > where you came from. Perhaps I'm just pissed because > you took the > initiative to start this list before I did. But then > again, my Spice Girls > list is flourishing... > Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be > wrong.... > > Daventura...NOT the listowner > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? > http://www.ONElist.com > Sign up for a new e-mail list today! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off > your HTML option (instructions at > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), > and appropriately editing original messages in your > replies. Visit the tadream website at > http://tadream.copfer.com > Thank you. > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' The problem is : Project Ozma was a project in which F Drake heared the > emission of other galaxies (I sum up volontarily) and NOT sending anything > to eventual ET!! > > Pionner and Voyager are NOT included in Ozma (am I wrong?) > > Fred- presently known as a web surfer who already asked some search > engines. -------------------------- j.gordon here... you, sir, may be absoultely correct... I, myself, had a couple questions concerning the wording of the questions on the quiz... The english isn't perfect, though it's close, which actually makes it even more difficult... for example in question 7, do they really mean sqares, or do they mean sides?... anyway, I took them all at face value... good luck... From a Rising Runner to an Endless Sender... jgordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: PAULE POPO From: 'J. Lee Jolley' From: Frederic Yargui The problem is : Project Ozma was a project in which F Drake heared the > emission of other galaxies (I sum up volontarily) and NOT sending anything > to eventual ET!! > > Pionner and Voyager are NOT included in Ozma (am I wrong?) > > Fred- presently known as a web surfer who already asked some search > engines. -------------------------- j.gordon here... you, sir, may be absoultely correct... I, myself, had a couple questions concerning the wording of the questions on the quiz... The english isn't perfect, though it's close, which actually makes it even more difficult... for example in question 7, do they really mean sqares, or do they mean sides?... anyway, I took them all at face value... good luck... >From a Rising Runner to an Endless Sender... jgordon [===============] Hi, Rising (Road) Runner - bip!bip! About q#7 I think it is all objects of inferior dimension (than 4) : corners = vertices, squares = edges, 3 dim dices = 3 dim cubes. (it is normal for them to speak of dices !!!) and I sometimes ask myself whether my frenchy english is not better than their own ;-) Fred- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15580 Re: contest j.gordon Sun 4/11/1999 2 KB From: Vic Rek From: Vic Rek From: Daventura > > I was and still am a happy member of the 'other' list. Or as some might > call it, the 'original' list. I take offense to your slamming of the > 'unmoderated' forum that we all grew to love and depend on for > up to the date news and information. Of course, we strayed from > 'on topics' once in awhile, but we always came back to TD. > If it weren't for Dave Datta, none of us would even know each > other... [..] There is only ONE TD list and it's tadream (not on Onelist) - so don't market us with the fact that TD is signing up to it. The same people on tadream (quote 'trouble makers ' - are on your list too). So moderate away - but I don't see the point! Any important information I'll always post to the original TADREAM as long as it exists. I do not crosspost either. If you don't provide your group with info to this list then shame on you. BTW, check out my trade list at http://idt.net/~torque19/td_trade.htm - there you will find the way to subscribe to the original list, if not then please e-mail me off-list. Oh, sorry - it's called the 'other list'. Later, and sorry for the rise in blood pressure! :-) Vic From: Vic Rek Hello everyone- > If you wish to respond to Yannick, please do it privately (off-list). > > Thank you, > joe shoults > listowner > > > From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick) > > Greetings everyone, > > > > i looked at my collection and i found somme french TD LPs i have to trade. From: Vic Rek > From: 'Joe Shoults' > > Welcome, and thanks for joining, Ambassador! > > Please be aware that the open discussion of bootlegging and/or piracy cannot > be condoned, advocated or supported by this list. Please keep any such > discussions on a private level. Thank you SIR LISTOWNER ! What can you contribute about TD that is worthwhile? Like -Do you like Destination Berlin? Vic From: 'Ambassador Nelaskon' From: 'teiwaz _' From: 'j.gordon' > Hi, Rising (Road) Runner - bip!bip! > > About q#7 I think it is all objects of inferior dimension (than 4) : corners > = vertices, squares = edges, 3 dim dices = 3 dim cubes. > > (it is normal for them to speak of dices !!!) and I sometimes ask myself > whether my frenchy english is not better than their own ;-) > > Fred- ----------------------- j.gordon here... I've found, living in Switzerland, that usually a group of non-native English speakers whose English is 'pretty-good' understand each other better than native English speakers do... maybe that gives the non-native English speaking population an 'edge' on the competition... From a Rising Runner to and Endless Sender... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Frederic Yargui From: 'matthew christopher williams' From: 'j.gordon' wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Just thought I would write introduce myself,I joined the list today,I used > to be on a TD mailing list few yrs ago but don`t think it was this one... j.gordon here. Welcome to the list on this side of the pond, Matt... your inbox will be full in the morning from all the writings that have gone on during the waking hours in the US and then be barren for the rest of the day... :) I myself can be found kicking around Zurich on the best of days, though I hail from THAT side of the Atlantic... :) From a Rising Runner to an Endless Sender... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Jeff Stevenson From: 'matthew christopher williams' > > Hi everyone, Hi Matt. Welcome back to the list...although this is a new list formed since the first of the year. The old list is still alive on Majordomo tho. What made you leave it before? From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Joe Shoults' From: 'teiwaz _' From: 'Joe Shoults' >It seems that clarification is needed in regards to some policies of >this list, and since some have seen fit to raise the subject on-list, >I'll attempt to clarify them here, hopefully for good. I'm asking >you to think about this from a moderator's perspective for a moment. Joe, I like to play devil's advocate and admit at one point I had over a year's worth of unread digests from that other list. I'd had it, too. And I'm glad this list formed. Alas, I do find my self reading the other list now, too. heh Of course, I find TD much more interesting now than I have in some time. Can't help but keep hoping for a US tour regardless of venue size. And sheesh that ole Haslinger boy sure has been shaping up. He seems to have left the cheese behind. There's nothing cheesy about his COMA VIRUS release Hidden. I haven't heard his soundtrack work with Graeme Revell, yet. >2) I have promised EDGAR that I would endeavor to keep bootlegging out of >public discussion. And Joe--I can see why as a moderator--you are forced to remind everyone to keep the dreaded 'B' word out of this forum. And yes, I have been testing the limits here. And I'm looking forward to those rarities releases that have been mentioned on the TDI website--maybe I can finally get a copy of 'Overture' that isn't from an old used scratched piece of vinyl. Or, shudder to think, 'Ultima Thule'. --teiwaz _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From: MR S M COULSON Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 7:10 pm Subject: 1984 Hello there! Just a quick introductory e-mail from a new member who's spent the last few years immersed in the TD soundworld. They're rather good, aren't they? Anyway -I'm rambling already!- I have a suggestion for you all. I know this is a TD discussion group and all that, but I'd like to talk about another artist who's mentioned in Paul Stump's 'Critical Discography of TD' book. The artist in question is Anthony Phillips, and I've recently managed to get hold of an anthology CD of his work. To all of you who love Underwater Sunlight I have this suggestion: go out right now and buy, order or steal a copy of Phillips' '1984' CD. It's incredible, and if you're a fan of Tangerine Dream's upbeat, inspirational '80s work, you might well end up buying Phillips' entire back catalogue! He's that good! Honest. Right! I'm off. Next time I'll concentrate more on TD, but having just discovered Phillips' stuff I'm desparate to tell you all! Speak to you soon, Stuart C. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15595 Re: 1984 Plumer, Scott Mon 4/12/1999 1 KB 16026 1984 Mats Nordlinder Fri 4/23/1999 1 KB 16033 Re: 1984 Thomas Fri 4/23/1999 1 KB 16039 Re: 1984 Plumer, Scott Fri 4/23/1999 1 KB 16040 Re: 1984 Joe Shoults Fri 4/23/1999 1 KB 16043 Re: 1984 Mats Nordlinder Fri 4/23/1999 2 KB From: rob.dorey@xx.xxx Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 12:10 pm Subject: Hi Everyone Hi, just joined the list. What a great idea for keeping us Dreamers in touch! A shame that it doesn't look as though there will be a tour this year apart from the one date. Anyway, I first became aware of the band when I heard part of Rubycon on the radio (probably the John Peel show here in England). Didn't know it WAS Rubycon otherwise I'd have bought it straightaway, all I heard was '...and that's Tangerine Dream there...' So I went out and bought their latest, which at that time was the Sorcerer soundtrack. The rest is history- I now have just about everything else! Dread to think how much I've spent on this band! My favourite period is probably Froese, Franke, Schmoelling simply because that was the line-up when I first saw them live, at good old Hammersmith Odeon, London in 1981. Blew me away. I remember that the main set finished with the last part of Force Majeure, and the encores were an instrumental Kiew Mission and Choronzon. Also saw them at the Dominion show the following year, when Logos was recorded. I remember the announcement at the beginning: 'Dominion, London, thank you for being patient....' That was because due to ticket demand, TD had played an earlier show just before which had caused delays!! I went through a hard time with the band in the early 90s as I suspect did a lot of people, because IMO they introduced too much guitar and sax into the band and it distracted from the synth sounds which made their name. I've got back into it in a BIG way lately with Dream Mixes, Oasis, Goblins Club and especially Transiberia (great album!) It seems that the band are moving back towards their trademark synth sound again which, for me, is what got me into them. Fave albums: Underwater Sunlight, Force Majeure, Rubycon, Exit (but then tomorrow I would probably give you 4 different ones as it depends on my mood!!!) Other fave artists? Hmm- Andy Pickford's Maelstrom album is superb, and Bekki Williams 'Shadow of the Wind' and 'Elysian Fields' are very good. (UK artists). If you do like the 90s TD guitar sound (and don't get me wrong I like SOME of it- just not on every track okay!!???) check out Bjorn Lynne, especially and album called 'The Void'. Look forward to your comments. Rob Dorey From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Hi everyone, > Hi Matt, A blast from the past. > Just thought I would write introduce myself,I joined the list today,I used to be on a TD mailing list few yrs ago but don`t think it was this one... You're right, this list has only been around for a few weeks. The original tadream list is still on the go, if you want to get back to that one too. > > Anyway don`t wanna write too much and bore you all....but other artists i like in the same field our Vangelis,Jarre(to a lesser degree),Oldfield,Andy Pickford,Global Communication(my second fave group to TD) and lots more.. > He's not joking, guys. I've never forgotten the time Matt took a day off work to hear their latest album! Sure, to go to a concert, but to listen to an album?!? Wow! 8D NP : Nominal Gain - Dan J. Schulte Both NG and Revelation Club are excellent albums and should be snapped up PDQ! See the 'man-o'. (Obviously, I get no 'Gain' from this - those with flexible memories will know that Dan and I don't always see eye-to-eye but, unfortunately, that doesn't seem to stop hit writing damn good music!) -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Ambassador Nelaskon' >>Hi, I've noticed that in Sohoman Tracklist (TDI music mall web page) it's written 01. Convention of the 24th But the real title is 01. Convention of the 24, isn't it?<<< Yep, you're right. The official TD website has a few errors, most notably in the discography section of the original page. They spell a couple things wrong, and a couple CDs are out of order. (Thief & Exit, Miracle Mile & Lily) >>> To this day that Risky Business music is still my fave TD music,especially Love On A Real Train....thats my fave TD track for sure,<<< Really? I've never herard it... >>> I guess my fave era is the Froese,Franke,Schmoelling lineup,to me that period is the best and will never be bettered,well in my opinion anyway...<<< 'The Sequencer Years', 1980-1986. My favorite too. >>> I wasn`t really a fan of the early 90s period either,the use of a sax and Paul Haslinger joining up to me made some TD albums sound Cheesy(thats just my humble opinion)...<<< Hmmm... that's what got me into them in '94! >>>The old list is still alive on Majordomo tho. What made you leave it before?<<< Alive? Even when the digests came out in full, they still comprised mainly of cussing out over the existence of The Keep, or slamming newer TD... a bunch of jerks. That's why _I_ lost interest (I can't speak for Matt here). The same problem is on Dream Theater's 'Ytsejam' list. Just a bunch of 'This sucks, that blows, F~k off if you disagree... THIS list, on the other hand, seems to have a LOT of potential. It's actually cool to be on board here; the other list became more of a nuisance. >>>After picking him up off the floor and tying him to a chair I then played the video of Canyon dreams to chill him out and then Rockoon. The comments then changed to wow thats amazing to whats a band like that doing playing rock music. My question to the masses is do you think technology has played a major part in the evolution of the band or would they still sound great today using the old moogs etc?<<< Good job! Your efforts to spread the Dream have been duly noted by the Earthian Cyaron Ambassador. Anyway, of course TD would sound great with Moogs and stuff, but I don't think they would be nearly as awesome. Also, I think the notionof TD remaining the same through advances in technology would defy the nature of TD. See, technology hasn't affected TD as much as TD has used the very latest technology to influence the world. That's what they've done from the beginning. Edgar has even said that if one were to listen to all TD albums back-to-back, they would hear the evolution of synthesizers and electronic music. -------- Still curious, you guys. Let's not even worry about time and such. What are your favorite tracks from DM1 to Transsiberia? I think mine would have to be Sojus, and 220 Volt and Touchwood FM from Tournado. Responses can be sent to me off-list. cyaron@m... Thanks guys! And sorry for making such a long post... -Nelaskon ECA --- 'Never stop Dreaming. When you forget how to Dream, you forget how to live.' -maX Verran [Aurealis] Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://personal.lycos.com From: 'Plumer, Scott' Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 1:25 pm Subject: The Keep (Was: RE: [tadream] Fahrenheit 451?) >On topic: So just what is the story with 'The Keep' not being >widely released? Was it perhaps improperly released by Edgar without >proper permission by all parties involved? The wide release continues >to be apparently shelved. I think they gave us the same line as what kept the original from being released (sightings of the mythic LP notwithstanding), meaning that disputes with the record company delayed or prevented the release althogether. They'd be fools not to pursue this one, because I think it would be quite a success, despite the fact that little of the actual music from the film appears on the CD. Scott From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 3:38 pm Subject: apology Hi Dan- Being a new moderator, I am learning how to keep things on an even keel, and I'm afraid I might have jumped the gun on a discussion you and someone else were having last month. I asked you to 'take it outside'. Looking back, I probably came off as condescending, and I'm sorry. Did I totally piss you off? You unsubscribed shortly thereafter. Anyway, we got our link on TD site, moved to a new home page, and will be doing an interview soon, but probably not posted until KlangArt Festival. Whether you come back to the tadream@o... or not, I just wanted you to know I apologize. I've been forced to learn a little about moderation recently, as I have had to step in and give the low-down about this boot discussion thing. Take care, Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan J. Schulte [mailto:rakinik@g...] > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 12:37 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Ah, when a boot was just a shoe > > > From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > > No offense to all regarding the trees....but are you all on dope? > > Even though we all pretty much have the power to burn cdrs of other > artist's licensed music it is still considered illegal. Although it is > not enforced to a major degree (not yet anyway) it is still not right to > openly discuss copying, distributing & certainly organizing a bootleg > grapevine for everyone. I like getting rare material just like the next > guy but if we want this list to be anything more than a boot trading > list I would suggest we lighten up with the tree antics in public. The > other list garnished a horrible rep from TD because of all the tree fun. > These days people just don't understand the copyright laws (or the fact > that these lists are archived) and if you think certain people aren't > watching these horrendously heavy trading/copying habits & offers, think > again. Anyway, I thought the point of this new list was to discuss TD > and further a better relationship with the band, print possible > interviews, new info, offer new ideas, put up a nice webpage, etc...but > if this list is just another way to openly tree out bootlegs, I'm outta > here. can we do it privately guys, if you don't mind? As an ex-employee > of a music producer I can tell you for a fact that visits CAN be made to > your house by certain groups when you least expect it....& they will > take more than your bootlegs. It'll happen when you least expect it too. > I know, I have stories. > > Dano > > -- > Dan J. Schulte > Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ > Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > We are proud as punch of our new web site! > http://www.onelist.com > Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML > option, and appropriately editing original messages in your > replies. Visit the tadream website at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm Thank you. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15599 Re: apology Joe Shoults Mon 4/12/1999 1 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 1:40 pm Subject: Re: Hans Zimmer ... > Steve Joliffe: 1967 - 1969? Don't forget he reappeared on the Cyclone album in 1978 Regards, Lawry From: 'Plumer, Scott' Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 1:40 pm Subject: Re: 1984 >Discography of TD' book. The artist in question is Anthony Phillips, and Is that the same Anthony Phillips that was with Genesis? Scott From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 2:15 pm Subject: Re: Technology >From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > My question to the masses is do you >think technology has played a major part in the evolution of the band or >would they still sound great today using the old moogs etc? There are many who believe that they should go back to their old equipment and revisit the days of Rubycon and Encore. There is also a common discussion amongst fans regarding whether/how/why/if digital technology has helped or hindered TD. In the early years, I think the band and the technology were inseperable : they were both evolving as TD pushed the boundaries of both the instruments and themselves. I think that's why they had to have so much custom-built stuff - they were forcing the pace of technology because they wanted to achieve things that standardly available equipment couldn't do. Nowadays, it seems as though they are happy to work within the (admittedly very wide) confines of commercial products. There seems to be little that TD produce which aren't presets or samples. But I think that's because they feel happy working that way now and not because of something related to the technology or hardware. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Plumer, Scott' Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 5:22 pm Subject: The patron saint of quality footwear The mention of the dreaded 'b' word got me thinking. As a dedicated tape trader and proud owner of zero TD boots, I thought I'd copy this from the Phish.net web site, which is the big Phish fan site. >OK, I goofed and bought some. Now what? >Buy no more, realize your mistake and redeem yourself. How? Make copies of the CDs for the first five newbies that respond > to your post on the net and send you blanks and postage. Then, when you get a chance, make the same offer again... and > again... and again.... If the quality on the CD is worth having at all, make sure as many people get it as possible and do > whatever you can to prevent foreign thieves from wrecking our community. > Jason posted, 'If you would like to be a part of the Traders Against Bootleg Sales (TABS) movement, please e-mail me at > .' Colin Ovitsky (lt;SNGX64B@p...>) indicated (8/8/96) that you should send a message > of 'subscribe tabs ' to listproc@l... They have an extensive section devoted to tape trading and the evils of bootlegs. If you'd like to peruse it - it's an interesting read even if you don't like Phish - go to: http://www.phish.net/PhishFAQ/tape-qs.html I'd also like to publicly encourage the band to allow taping. Phish has done it since day one, and it has only helped their popularity. There are also very few boots of them available. I've only ever seen one. Scott From: Marcelo Gutierrez Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 5:37 pm Subject: Re: 1984 and Valentine wheels ---------- > From: Plumer, Scott > To: 'tadream@o...' > Subject: [tadream] Re: 1984 > Date: Monday, April 12, 1999 9:40 AM > > From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >Discography of TD' book. The artist in question is Anthony Phillips, and > > Is that the same Anthony Phillips that was with Genesis? > > Scott Yes, it is the same A. Phillips and '1984' is a wonderful all electronic album, and as far as I know his only all electronic album (I could be mistaken, I lost track of him shortly after '1984' was released). In any event, '1984' was I bit of a departure for him at the time (early '80s), now I will have to listen to the album again, I have not done so in at least a couple of years. As for TD related news, I just got 'Valentine Wheels', I have only listen to it once but I liked what I heard, great sound and great choice of material, the version of 'Beach Theme' is great!! Bye Marcelo From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 5:56 pm Subject: Re: apology oops. that was supposed to go just to Dan-O. ;-) -joe From: Michael A Jean Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 6:06 pm Subject: anthony phillips I have a pile of his old cassettes if anyone is really interested... MJ From: 'J. Lee Jolley' Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 7:23 pm Subject: RE- Technology >Yesterday I played a friend of mine who had never heard of TD Rubycon and tangram, the latter being one of my favourites. >The comments then changed to wow thats amazing to whats a band like that doing playing rock music . You should have let your friend hear Dream Mixes. That would have truly Blown his mind away. ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenne, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'J. Lee Jolley' Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 7:30 pm Subject: RE- Hi Everyone Hello to you too... Where on Earth do people other here in Good ol Blighty get TRANSIBERIA from... I've been looking for it all weekend!!! I think I will reserve it from HMV Manchester tomorrow. ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenne, Severed Dreams... Shadow Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15606 Re: RE- Hi Everyone j.gordon Mon 4/12/1999 1 KB 15607 Re: RE- Hi Everyone Gerry Fox Mon 4/12/1999 2 KB 15625 Re: RE- Hi Everyone Plumer, Scott Tue 4/13/1999 1 KB From: 'J. Lee Jolley' Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 7:14 pm Subject: RE- OT: Moderation, boots, the old list Hello Joe With regards to your recent post on the list I have this to say, THANX. I have only been on the list for a few days and already I have met some really nice people and found out absolutely loads of information about TD. What you have done so far with the list has shown that you care for it and don't want to see it go down the path of the 'Dark Side' :-) *Pardon the Starwars pun couldn't resist. I have no previous knowledge of any other list and to be honest I couldn't care less about it. This list is a separate Entity. It gives everyone a new fresh chance to talk about a truly great Group. Hopefully others will see this before they jump the gun...... Anyway it's good to see that you have the dedication for us all to be able to appreciate TD together. As for the Bootlegging... I am going to get a copy of a very old vinyl version of Pheadra tonight. I already have a copy of it on CD but I want to hear those Scratches of an old record player. So, sorry to Edgar, I agree there should be no bootlegging but this is the only way my friend will part with this record. To be honest I prefer laterTD releases from about 1980 onwards but it's an oportunity I couldn't refuse!!! ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenne, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'J. Lee Jolley' Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 7:34 pm Subject: RE- 1984 and Valentine Wheels Now I know why I like Genesis so much!! :-) and I thought it was because I also enjoy Phil Collins... ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenne, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'tom george' Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 8:39 pm Subject: Re: Hello Everyone! ? >[===============] >I like Schmoelling & Franke but I _love_ Linda Spa. >(BTW, Linda Kohanov too... hehe just bought two -rare- CD from their web...) > >So long, > >Fred oh fred, be careful....i might tell your wife that you are in love with another... :) who is Linda Kohanov? see you Fred.... tom _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 9:01 pm Subject: Re: RE- Hi Everyone > From: 'J. Lee Jolley' > > Where on Earth do people other here in Good ol Blighty get TRANSIBERIA > from... > I've been looking for it all weekend!!! j.gordon here... The on-line CD stores on the TDI site are actually pretty good about having TD in stock... Amazon.com in particluar has a goodly chunk of the 'normal' albums, including most of the newer releases... it's a good place to try... happy hunting... From a Rising Runner to an Endless Sender... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Gerry Fox' Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 9:31 pm Subject: Re: RE- Hi Everyone I got my copy from CD Services in Dundee. They do a great mail order service. Phone 01382 776595. I've no connection with them BTW, just a satisfied customer Gerry -----Original Message----- From: J. Lee Jolley To: tadream@o... Date: 12 April 1999 20:32 Subject: [tadream] RE- Hi Everyone >From: 'J. Lee Jolley' > >Hello to you too... >Where on Earth do people other here in Good ol Blighty get TRANSIBERIA >from... >I've been looking for it all weekend!!! >I think I will reserve it from HMV Manchester tomorrow. > > >' If you value your lives be some were else. ' >Delenne, Severed Dreams... > >Shadow > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription >to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and >select the Member Center link from the menu bar on the left. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com >Thank you. > From: Frederic Yargui Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 9:50 pm Subject: Re: Hello Everyone! >I like Schmoelling & Franke but I _love_ Linda Spa. >(BTW, Linda Kohanov too... hehe just bought two -rare- CD from their web...) > >So long, > >Fred oh fred, be careful....i might tell your wife that you are in love with another... :) who is Linda Kohanov? see you Fred.... tom [===============] Hi, Tom and dreamers! This mail was private or I was dreaming ? ;-D Never mind! I discovered Steve Roach when I was still young... in 1988. I was recommended 'Steve Roach + Michael Schrieve : The Leaving Time' Since then, I discovered the Synthetist Steve Roach with petillant sequences, The Ethnic SR and the dark ambient SR. I may have forgotten some other but I really appreciate this kind of e-music. BTW, David Lanz is good too, but this is not the subject. Linda K maybe is SR's wife by now. He encountered her for live performance I think and then... when I ordered 2 cds from the SR web site, I got a little piece of paper 'Thanks Fred' paraphed by Linda Kohanov :-) If anyone knows a more precise story, please, let us know !! :-)) Sorry for the totally off TD topic, I hope the list keeper won't repRoach me that <;-D... Greetings to all. --------Fred, presently known (since a good time) as the old TaDreamList digest killer. BTW, I won't send any longer posts to the old tadream list because of this problem and until it is definitively solved. And BTW, I am subbed to the digest of this old list, and I read all the digests until the end (I got every 'end of tadream digest # blahblah') even when I posted some mails to it. So, isn't the problem in some members mailing software and not mine??? Please, let me know (and let me know your mailing software for those who have this problem of cutted digests...) From: 'Shadow' Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 10:08 pm Subject: Musical Scores I keep promising myself everytime I hear 'Twenty-Nine Palms' That one day I will play it myself. I think firstly I need to learn how to play the Piano. Secondly I could do with the Musical score. This is one of my favourites from 'Lilly on the Beach' one of the first TD pieces I heard way back in 1989. ( I know that a lot of you will have been listening far longer :-) ) Is there any way of actually getting this Musical Score? ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenne, Severed Dreams... Shadow Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15626 Re: Musical Scores Plumer, Scott Tue 4/13/1999 1 KB 15639 Re: Musical Scores Shadow Tue 4/13/1999 3 KB From: 'Shadow' Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 10:13 pm Subject: Taste in Music? Why is it that my girlfriend says she hates TD? but.......... If I am playing 'Dream Mixes, Oasis, Tournado, etc. ' in the car or bedroom she thinks they are really good. Of course I never tell her they are Tangerine Dream. I'm sorry but it would be way too easy to explain to her that she actually likes them. and that she has been unwittingly listening to them for the past 2yrs. It could also prove expensive......... :-) ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenne, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 10:35 pm Subject: DREAM MIXES. Thanks to J Lee Jolley. Its very sad I know but I haven't heard Dream Mixes myself yet ! But I can assure you its off to the local stores tomorrow to try and get it . I thought I was pretty much in touch with the latest TD releases ,How wrong can you be I must be about 4 years behind at the moment a problem soon to be rectified ,as long as I can stop listening to Floyds Pulse. Bare with me I will soon get my act together too much work and not enough play. Catch ya latter FLOYDIAN CARL. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15627 Re: DREAM MIXES. j.gordon Tue 4/13/1999 1 KB 15643 Re: DREAM MIXES. Carl & Jacqui Kearney Tue 4/13/1999 1 KB 15659 Re: DREAM MIXES. j.gordon Wed 4/14/1999 1 KB 15923 Re: DREAM MIXES. Mike Jr. J Schramer Wed 4/21/1999 1 KB From: XxphyIeX@a... Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 10:50 pm Subject: about the problem with bootlegs... In a message dated 4/12/99 5:36:36 AM EDT, tadream@o... writes: << From: 'Joe Shoults' Subject: OT: Policing & moderation, boots, the old list, etc. >> ...my suggestion?? make a separate list for the discussion of bootlegs and tapes etc.. and dont relate the two lists and / or make sure that all know that there is not to be any discussion of either list on the other.. so that no one knows that there is a connection. u might wish to use a second name for the moderation purposes of the alternate list.. there are two trek lists i am part of.. both done by the same person... trekchat and trektrade.. the first is all stuff not suitable for the latter... the latter is all trading and selling etc.. it will work.. try it... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15620 Re: about the problem with bootlegs... Antonio Nunes Tue 4/13/1999 1 KB From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: JMPoer From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'anthony simeone' From: 'Ambassador Nelaskon' Date: Tue Apr 13, 1999 2:38 am Subject: Re: Digest Number 29 >> Where on Earth do people other here in Good ol Blighty get TRANSIBERIA >> from... >> I've been looking for it all weekend!!! > >j.gordon here... > >The on-line CD stores on the TDI site are actually pretty good about having TD >in stock... Amazon.com in particluar has a goodly chunk of the 'normal' albums, >including most of the newer releases... it's a good place to try... Go to CDworld. They're having a 4th anniversary sale. There is a link on the TDI website. But here's another one. Hehe: http://www.cdworld.com Make sure you're on the page showing all 80 TD titles they have. Transsiberia is in the imports, and it's $14.97. In a couple weeks, it'll be released for $12.97. I know because I just ordered it myself :) >Thanks to J Lee Jolley. >Its very sad I know but I haven't heard Dream Mixes myself yet ! >But I can assure you its off to the local stores tomorrow to try and get it >. I would recommend you go online and order it so you can get 'Dream Mixes One' by TDI. The first disc is the same as the US release The Dream Mixes, but it has a second disc with other mixes and the new track 'Sojus', which is in my opinion the very best track TD has done in the late '90s. CDworld should have Dream Mixes One for a really good price too. I didn't order it, but I did see it there and the prices are incredible right now. See 'ya later! The Ambassador. --- 'Never stop Dreaming. When you forget how to Dream, you forget how to live.' -maX Verran [Aurealis] Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://personal.lycos.com From: Marcelo Gutierrez Date: Tue Apr 13, 1999 2:34 am Subject: Tangerine Ambience > From: 'anthony simeone' > > Several months ago, also bought a cd titled: 'Tangerine Ambience, a Tribute to Tangerine Dream' Any body else listened to it? Yes, and the whole CD is really good, especially 'Bent cold sidewalk', it was changed almost beyond recognition, that song alone is worth the price of the CD (IMO) BTW, there is a Tangerine Ambience II which is almost as good as the first. > I commented to one person off of this list that there are some albums i bought in the mid to late 80's, such as live miles, poland, and even force majure, that i initially did not like. yet, over the years, i have grown to love them very much. how is that possible. is it me, or does tangerine dream have that effect on people. The same has happened to me in several occasions, at first listen I did not like 'Ricochet' or 'Ypsilon in malysian pale' and now are some of my favourites! I think as time goes by, one matures and changes and is open to different aspects of TD. Bye Marcelo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15619 Re: Tangerine Ambience James Horecka, AIA Tue 4/13/1999 1 KB 16976 Tangerine Ambience Kevin Earley Thu 6/24/1999 2 KB 16985 Re: Tangerine Ambience Gabe Yedid Fri 6/25/1999 3 KB 16996 Re: Tangerine Ambience Kevin Earley Fri 6/25/1999 2 KB 16997 Re: Tangerine Ambience Sean Montgomery Fri 6/25/1999 3 KB 35677 Tangerine Ambience Morgan Feldon Sat 8/24/2002 2 KB From: 'James Horecka, AIA' Date: Tue Apr 13, 1999 4:41 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience Yes, I have Tangerine Ambience. I bought the CD at a used record shop. It's OK. It ain't Tangerine Dream, but is still fun to listen to. In fact, I think I'll pop it in now, to refresh my memory. James E. Horecka, AIA From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Apr 13, 1999 10:40 am Subject: Re: about the problem with bootlegs... XxphyIeX@a... wrote: > > ...my suggestion?? make a separate list for the discussion > of bootlegs and tapes etc.. > and dont relate the two lists and / or make sure that > all know that there is not to be any discussion of either list > on the other.. so that no one knows that there is a connection. The discussion of tapes and bootlegs is not forbidden on the original tadream list (now called 'the other list'). Please don't make more TD lists!!! Antonio From: rob.dorey@b... Date: Tue Apr 13, 1999 11:08 am Subject: Re: Digest Number 30 To everyone, Haven't quite worked out how to reply to these posts yet, but this is a sort of general comment anyway- so here goes: To Carl and Jacqui Kearney, Carl, you're not alone. My girlfriend's initial comment about Td was 'Never heard of them,' Surprise. Then when she heard them, she made a very intellectual comment, something like; 'Don't like it, it's twiddly bits.' Things have improved though. I caught her tapping her feet to the Video Dream Mixes after which she admitted to 'quite liking it'. I'll just have to keep working on her! To Anthony Simeone, Yeah- I've got Tangerine Ambience. Some tracks worked better than others. I liked Exit which I thought worked well with drums, and the version of Phaedra was good. Haven't got the follow-up album yet although I have seen it around. Gary Numan's last two albums Sacrifice and Exile are well worth getting hold of. He's finally moving back towards the sound of Tubeway Army/Replicas/Pleasure Principle rather than trying to do soul/funk and there aren't any of those annoying female vocals!!! And he plays nearly all of it himself. I've seen a new Kraftwerk ahem, you know, nudge nudge not quite official live CD which appears to have new material on it (from the last tour?) It was about ?24 at the time which put me off. I know I'll end up buying it eventually though so if I do I'll let you know what it's like!! To Ambassador Nelaskon (whaaaat??!!) TransSiberia is definitely out there. Got it in HMV in London. They also had the two volumes of Hollywood Years, Dream Encores, Dream Mixes 1, Oasis and Dream Mixes 2. So the TDI releases seem to be gradually getting to the shops. I'm looking out for Valentine Wheels now. > -----Original Message----- > From: tadream@o... [SMTP:tadream@o...] > Sent: 13 April 1999 11:31 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 30 > > > shop.theglobe.com * One Stop Shopping * Free Shipping in the U.S.! > Live Personal Shopper * Satisfaction Guaranteed * No Hassle Returns! > Accessories, Apparel, Gourmet, Jewelry, Kids, Outdoors, Sports, More! > http://www.onelist.com/ad/shoptheglobe0 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option > (instructions at > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and > appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the > tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com > > Thank you. > > > There are 8 messages in this issue. > > Topics in today's digest: > > 1. Girl friend hates TD. > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > 2. What a Blast - Where? > From: JMPoer > 3. Greetings > From: 'Steven Le Vine' > 4. Re: Digest Number 29 > From: 'anthony simeone' > 5. Re: Digest Number 29 > From: 'Ambassador Nelaskon' > 6. Tangerine Ambience > From: Marcelo Gutierrez > 7. Re: Tangerine Ambience > From: 'James Horecka, AIA' > 8. Re: about the problem with bootlegs... > From: Antonio Nunes > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:37:01 +0100 > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > Subject: Girl friend hates TD. > > Shadow try the same trick I did 10 years ago with my girl friend. > Tell her your taking her on a big night out to the theatre ( or a meal > )what > ever. > Then turn up at a TD concert by which time its too late to go home so they > usually have a moan sit through the concert and become converts . > It worked for me I married mine. > Admitedly you may have to wait a while for a tour , but in the mean time > keep playing those subliminal tracks. > > Floydian carl. > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:50:41 -0700 > From: JMPoer > Subject: What a Blast - Where? > > OK, > > 'What a Blast' > > Lawry and others have found it, heard it, etc. > > > Has anyone over here, 'in the colonies' you might say, found it locally > yet? > > I've been browsing around the 'local' online sources but no luck yet. > > FYI - Tower lists SOHOMAN as an 'advance order' at 13.99. > > John Poer > > (Apologies to those on both lists about the crosspost) > > > > jp > > 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:40:00 -0400 > From: 'Steven Le Vine' > Subject: Greetings > > Hey Gang, > > I am delighted to be a memeber of our unique community. I heard TD when I > was young in the 70's & I knew that when I got older this would be the > group > for me, and... I am really into the Melrose years, but the new releases > of all the TDI stuff is really cool (if you can find them). > > I'm also into the Babylon 5 sountracks am am trying to get into Klaus > Schultze. Anyway, does anybody have 'The Keep'? I'm on back order with > my > second on line distributor. I've been advised 2-12 weeks (it's been 4). > The only place I have even seen it listed in on GEMM. But the search is > part of the fun, right? > > Write you later, > > siberkat > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:40:57 PDT > From: 'anthony simeone' > Subject: Re: Digest Number 29 > > all good stuff! > i like the one email about anthony phillips. its nice to hear about > other artists from tadream fans. i will try a phillips album. > just bought a cd last month, Celestine Prophecy, by Christopher > Franke. Pretty good. > last year, i bought Stuntman, by Edgar Froese. Pretty good also. > Several months ago, also bought a cd titled: 'Tangerine Ambience, a > Tribute to Tangerine Dream' Any body else listened to it? > I commented to one person off of this list that there are some albums > i bought in the mid to late 80's, such as live miles, poland, and even > force majure, that i initially did not like. yet, over the years, i have > grown to love them very much. how is that possible. is it me, or does > tangerine dream have that effect on people. > Speaking of other artists. Any one into Gary Numan. He is big on > synthesisers, and my other favorite besides Tadream. Kraftwerk any one? > And there are so many more. > > anthony. ajsrails@h... > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:38:49 -0800 > From: 'Ambassador Nelaskon' > Subject: Re: Digest Number 29 > > > >> Where on Earth do people other here in Good ol Blighty get TRANSIBERIA > >> from... > >> I've been looking for it all weekend!!! > > > >j.gordon here... > > > >The on-line CD stores on the TDI site are actually pretty good about > having TD > >in stock... Amazon.com in particluar has a goodly chunk of the 'normal' > albums, > >including most of the newer releases... it's a good place to try... > > > Go to CDworld. They're having a 4th anniversary sale. There is a link > on the TDI website. But here's another one. Hehe: http://www.cdworld.com > > Make sure you're on the page showing all 80 TD titles they have. > Transsiberia is in the imports, and it's $14.97. In a couple weeks, it'll > be released for $12.97. > > I know because I just ordered it myself :) > > >Thanks to J Lee Jolley. > >Its very sad I know but I haven't heard Dream Mixes myself yet ! > >But I can assure you its off to the local stores tomorrow to try and get > it > >. > > I would recommend you go online and order it so you can get 'Dream > Mixes One' by TDI. The first disc is the same as the US release The Dream > Mixes, but it has a second disc with other mixes and the new track > 'Sojus', which is in my opinion the very best track TD has done in the > late '90s. > > CDworld should have Dream Mixes One for a really good price too. I didn't > order it, but I did see it there and the prices are incredible right now. > > See 'ya later! > > > The Ambassador. > > > --- > 'Never stop Dreaming. When you forget how to Dream, you forget how to > live.' > > -maX Verran [Aurealis] > > > Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com > Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://personal.lycos.com > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:34:35 -0400 > From: Marcelo Gutierrez > Subject: Tangerine Ambience > > > From: 'anthony simeone' > > > > Several months ago, also bought a cd titled: 'Tangerine Ambience, a > Tribute to Tangerine Dream' Any body else listened to it? > > Yes, and the whole CD is really good, especially 'Bent cold sidewalk', it > was changed almost beyond recognition, that song alone is worth the price > of the CD (IMO) > BTW, there is a Tangerine Ambience II which is almost as good as the > first. > > > I commented to one person off of this list that there are some > albums i bought in the mid to late 80's, such as live miles, poland, and > even force majure, that i initially did not like. yet, over the years, i > have grown to love them very much. how is that possible. is it me, or > does tangerine dream have that effect on people. > > The same has happened to me in several occasions, at first listen I did > not > like 'Ricochet' or 'Ypsilon in malysian pale' and now are some of my > favourites! > I think as time goes by, one matures and changes and is open to different > aspects of TD. > > Bye Marcelo > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:41:17 -0700 > From: 'James Horecka, AIA' > Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience > > Yes, I have Tangerine Ambience. > > I bought the CD at a used record shop. > > It's OK. It ain't Tangerine Dream, but is still fun to listen to. In fact, > I > think I'll pop it in now, to refresh my memory. > > James E. Horecka, AIA > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:40:36 +0100 > From: Antonio Nunes > Subject: Re: about the problem with bootlegs... > > > > XxphyIeX@a... wrote: > > > > ...my suggestion?? make a separate list for the discussion > > of bootlegs and tapes etc.. > > and dont relate the two lists and / or make sure that > > all know that there is not to be any discussion of either list > > on the other.. so that no one knows that there is a connection. > > > The discussion of tapes and bootlegs is not forbidden on the original > tadream list (now called 'the other list'). Please don't make more TD > lists!!! > > Antonio > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ From: XxphyIeX@xxx.xxx Date: Tue Apr 13, 1999 12:04 pm Subject: converstion about illegal subject matter.. etc.. In a message dated 4/13/99 6:45:38 AM EDT, tadream@o... writes: << The discussion of tapes and bootlegs is not forbidden on the original tadream list (now called 'the other list'). Please don't make more TD lists!!! >> im only on this one.. and i think that if there are people on this list who wish to discuss this with others.. and not join this other list that i have seen mentioned in both good and bad lights... that they should have the opportunity to do so with the kewl members of this list... i have seen some negative interplay between the other list altho i havent see that list.. and this one... and it would appear that there is some discention (sp) between the two... reminiscient of pink floyd camps.. if u ask me. so i still suggest a second list.. even if there is another one already... but then.. i dont see the harm in discussing bootlegs or live unreleased product.. etc... its not like there is any mass distribution of said items.. on this list.. just the conversation of such subject matter.. if u cant discuss something publically.. u are just as guilty as those who burned books.. or who run countries under the evil dictatorship moniker... etc.. would u not talk about aids cuz its a horrible disease?? come on now... the freedom to discuss what we wish to on a list such as this.. shouldnt be prohibited even if it means not getting the backing that td might offer.. if nothing else... the free speech and right to talk about what we wish.. should be way more important to the powers that be who have the moderation powers on this list... not the support of the band on an internet mailing list... what are we talking about here? cmon people... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15623 Re: converstion about illegal subject matter.. et Martin Kay Tue 4/13/1999 3 KB 15624 Re: converstion about illegal subject matter.. et Joe Shoults Tue 4/13/1999 2 KB 15632 Re: converstion about illegal subject matter.. et Dan J. Schulte Tue 4/13/1999 2 KB 15656 Re: converstion about illegal subject matter.. et j.gordon Wed 4/14/1999 4 KB From: Martin Kay if u cant discuss something publically.. u are just as >guilty as those who burned books.. or who run countries >under the evil dictatorship moniker... etc.. >would u not talk about aids cuz its a horrible disease?? >come on now... the freedom to discuss what we wish >to on a list such as this.. shouldnt be prohibited even >if it means not getting the backing that td might offer.. >if nothing else... the free speech and right to talk about >what we wish.. should be way more important to the >powers that be who have the moderation powers on this >list... not the support of the band on an internet mailing >list... what are we talking about here? cmon people... I wonder why some people always start bigmouthing about the good ole´ 'burning books'- issue... it is slightly off- topic, isn´t it? By the way, comparing the forbiddance of bootlegging and the discussion of such illegal products to repressive treatment under a dictatorship is a bit way- off, wouldn´t you agree (I suggest you go living in under such circumstances for a while before you start talking and comparing!)? Since there is a music business - and without a music business bands like TD wouldn´t be able to make a living or create the music they make in the quality you expect of them- there are also certain rules that have to be set up and that have to be followed in order for it to work. TD earn their living from the records they put out, so of course any kind of bootlegging activity is in a way harmful to their cause. I think asking not to discuss this matter too openly is not really asking too much. I would just suggest thinking a bit more thoroughly before starting to scream 'Hitler...' as soon as you encounter anything that you consider a restriction (...especially people from Germany might react slightly allergic to this.). Think about the artist having to make a living too...# Just a suggestion. If you don´t like the rules of a list... don´t join it. If you want to discuss illegal products ... better keep it private. :-) All the best, Martin Kay. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- |> From: XxphyIeX@a... [mailto:XxphyIeX@a...] |> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 8:05 AM |> To: tadream@o... |> Subject: [tadream] converstion about illegal subject matter.. etc.. |> <...> |> come on now... the freedom to discuss what we wish |> to on a list such as this.. shouldnt be prohibited even |> if it means not getting the backing that td might offer.. |> if nothing else... the free speech and right to talk about |> what we wish.. should be way more important to the |> powers that be who have the moderation powers on this |> list... not the support of the band on an internet mailing |> list... what are we talking about here? cmon people... I think my letter of the other day should have clearly spelled this out. Since I know you read it, and have already responded to it once, why are you posting an appeal? The policy won't change. Call me a nazi, or bookburner if you want (off-list, please), but please respect the rules, and don't try to publicly undermine the nature of this list anymore. Would it help if I said please again? Folks, let's end this thread now. But before we drop it, please keep in mind that new fans might (will) join our community in the future, and even though we say 'no bootleg discussions' in the Welcome Message, some may wander into that area. If you feel compelled to help us, and remind them of the inappropriateness of their message, I'll thank you in advance right now. But please do not vilify them in public. I think a couple of off-list reminders should do the trick. Thanks again, -Joe From: 'Plumer, Scott' The on-line CD stores on the TDI site are actually pretty good about having TD >in stock... Amazon.com in particluar has a goodly chunk of the 'normal' albums, >including most of the newer releases... it's a good place to try... I'll second that, although CDNow was always my online CD purveyor of choice. I got the '97 Tour single and the Shepherd's Bush single from them... Or maybe it was RPM... Scott From: 'Plumer, Scott' I keep promising myself everytime I hear 'Twenty-Nine Palms' That one day I >will play it myself. >I think firstly I need to learn how to play the Piano. HA HA!! I think that would help! Promise me one thing, though: You'll play it on a real piano, and not on whatever they played it on on Lily. For me, that ruined what otherwise would have been a smashing tune. Scott From: 'j.gordon' Catch ya latter FLOYDIAN CARL. j.gordon here... yes, I agree, whole heartedly... one could rotate between PF, TD and Rush, have more than enough music to never get tired of and never have to listen to anything else... though, I must admit, it's very important to broaden the horizons, it's simply sating to know that you really wouldn't need to ;) From a Rising Runner to an Endless Sender... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Jeff Stevenson From: Martin Kay > [SNIP] > >Martin Kay. >TDI- Music- Support. >Tel:-49-30-23620995 >Fax:-49-30-23620996 > >Visit our Website at: >http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Since we have someone here directly from TDI (and posting to the list no less!), I have a question I think you should be able to answer (I hope!). I have been trying to order a copy of Tangents for several months now (I have actually ordered it from 4 places that had it 'in stock' but turned out they didn't). Supposedly they haven't been able to get a hold of it either. Is this out of print/production now? Jeff Stevenson jsteven@o... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15629 Re: On topic Martin Kay Tue 4/13/1999 2 KB 15631 Re: On topic Marcelo Gutierrez Tue 4/13/1999 3 KB 15633 Re: On topic Dan J. Schulte Tue 4/13/1999 2 KB 15634 Re: On topic Jeff Stevenson Tue 4/13/1999 3 KB 15635 Re: On topic Plumer, Scott Tue 4/13/1999 2 KB 15637 Re: On topic Dan J. Schulte Tue 4/13/1999 1 KB 15916 Re: On topic Mike Jr. J Schramer Wed 4/21/1999 1 KB 15928 Re: On topic Mike Jr. J Schramer Wed 4/21/1999 2 KB 15930 Re: On topic j.gordon Wed 4/21/1999 2 KB From: Martin Kay >Since we have someone here directly from TDI (and posting to the list no >less!), I have a question I think you should be able to answer (I hope!). > >I have been trying to order a copy of Tangents for several months now (I >have actually ordered it from 4 places that had it 'in stock' but turned >out they didn't). Supposedly they haven't been able to get a hold of it >either. Is this out of print/production now? > > Jeff Stevenson Not that I know of... But then it´s a Virgin Release which means that I have no first- hand info about it. > jsteven@o... > >Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 >(also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Did you know that we add over 1,000 new e-mail communities every day? >http://www.ONElist.com >Explore a new hobby, discover a new friend, laugh at a new joke! >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com >Thank you. > From: rzanelli@xxxx.xx.xx Date: Tue Apr 13, 1999 4:36 pm Subject: Spasms Hi folks I have an original VHS PAL tape of Spasms available for trade/sale. Anyone interested please contact me off list. See ya, Riccardo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15649 Spasms rzanelli@xxxx.xx.xx Wed 4/14/1999 1 KB From: Marcelo Gutierrez From: Jeff Stevenson > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] On topic > Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 12:56 PM > > From: Jeff Stevenson > > At 02:49 PM 4/13/1999 +0200, you wrote: > >From: Martin Kay > > > [SNIP] > > > >Martin Kay. > >TDI- Music- Support. > >Tel:-49-30-23620995 > >Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > > >Visit our Website at: > >http://www.tdi-music-mall.de > > Since we have someone here directly from TDI (and posting to the list no > less!), I have a question I think you should be able to answer (I hope!). > > I have been trying to order a copy of Tangents for several months now (I > have actually ordered it from 4 places that had it 'in stock' but turned > out they didn't). Supposedly they haven't been able to get a hold of it > either. Is this out of print/production now? > > Jeff Stevenson > jsteven@o... > > Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 > (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Did you know that we add over 1,000 new e-mail communities every day? > http://www.ONElist.com > Explore a new hobby, discover a new friend, laugh at a new joke! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com > Thank you. From: 'Dan J. Schulte' or live unreleased product.. etc... its not like there is > any mass distribution of said items.. on this list.. just > the conversation of such subject matter. There is no harm in discussing them, it's when you start trading them or selling them very publicly. It's all a matter of how you want to be interpreted by other musicians or industry folk (they don't like boots). If that's not a concern, sell away. Personally, I praise traded unlicensed product because most of it will never see the light of day. But, it's like scalping tickets online....it's a no no & you should always be subtle about it. Dan -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > I have been trying to order a copy of Tangents for several months now (I > have actually ordered it from 4 places that had it 'in stock' but turned > out they didn't). Supposedly they haven't been able to get a hold of it > either. Is this out of print/production now? Most online places are like this. It took several weeks to get my TD Hollywood years from CDnow (boy was THAT not worth the wait). I got valentine Wheels at circuit city for only $12.99 (yee haw!) so the best place is still your local music store...unless you live in the marshes of okefenokee. BTW, any reviews for What a Blast??? Captain Dan -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: Jeff Stevenson From: Marcelo Gutierrez > >Jeff: >have you tried duffelbag.com Inc. at duffel@d..., they claim to >have a copy of Tangents in stock as of April 11, or cellophane square at >music@c... or you can try mass music at custserv@m... >they all claim to have copies in stock. So far I've tried CD Now, CD Universe, Best Buy and Amazon. All listed as in stock, but after varying waits or 2-4 weeks they canceled the order and took the listing off their sites. I've got an order in at ABSound now....I'm in that 'waiting' status. >Most online places are like this. It took several weeks to get my TD >Hollywood years from CDnow (boy was THAT not worth the wait). I got >valentine Wheels at circuit city for only $12.99 (yee haw!) so the best >place is still your local music store...unless you live in the marshes >of okefenokee. BTW, any reviews for What a Blast??? As far as my local selection of TD music....it sucks. Most places around here don't even have a spot for it anymore. I used to be able to get at least a small selection but not since early 90's. This more than anything leads me to believe most fans don't like the direction the music has turned as (at least local) demand as dropped. The last CD I saw regularly was Melrose. I can count on 1 hand the number of places I've seen Rockoon, Dream Mixes and Oasis. The rest I haven't seen at all. Now I'm not bashing here.....I am doing my best to get every release I can....It's just I now have to go mail order to get them. I too prefer the mid-80's (Logos to Poland particularly) to everything else, but I like enough of everything else the group has done to acquire as much as I can. It's a real shame I can't stand Yanni or John Tesh. I can't go to a record store without wading thru stacks of those (and man people are really buying them). AN IDEA FOR EDGAR: If you want your popularity to soar (at least in the US), do some type of televised concert on PBS. Look at what it did for Yanni (Live at the Acropolis) and Riverdance. Especially if it was done during their fund raising drive. Jeff Stevenson jsteven@o... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: 'Plumer, Scott' AN IDEA FOR EDGAR: >If you want your popularity to soar (at least in the US), do some type of >televised concert on PBS. Look at what it did for Yanni (Live at the >Acropolis) and Riverdance. Especially if it was done during their fund >raising drive. That would have been great in say, '77 or maybe '86, when they were at their most popular here and touring in the US, but now that their popularity has dwindled in the US somewhat, I don't think PBS would go for it. What I think they out to do is try to get hooked up with a festival. I saw an article that said that electronica was going to be the 'big thing' at Woodstock 99 (no comment). If I was Ed, I'd play it for free, just to get the exposure. They were supposed to play the Doctor Music Festival in Spain a couple years ago, but their appearance fell through for some reason. Scott From: Michael A Jean From: 'Dan J. Schulte' AN IDEA FOR EDGAR: > > If you want your popularity to soar (at least in the US), do some type of > televised concert on PBS. Look at what it did for Yanni (Live at the > Acropolis) and Riverdance. Especially if it was done during their fund > raising drive. Perhaps Edgar should find a decent US distributor. The only stores I ever see good TD stuff is the stores that have TD fans in the ordering department. Super Collector used to be a killer place to get some cool rare TD stuff, until I left that is, heh heh. Dan -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: 'Shadow' From: 'Shadow' To: Sent: 13 April 1999 15:10 Subject: [tadream] Re: Musical Scores > From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >I keep promising myself everytime I hear 'Twenty-Nine Palms' That one day I > >will play it myself. > >I think firstly I need to learn how to play the Piano. > > HA HA!! I think that would help! Promise me one thing, though: You'll play > it on a real piano, and not on whatever they played it on on Lily. For me, > that ruined what otherwise would have been a smashing tune. > > Scott > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Did you know that knowledge is power? > http://www.ONElist.com > Join a new ONElist e-mail community and strengthen your mind! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com > Thank you. > From: 'Shadow' To: Sent: 13 April 1999 02:40 Subject: [tadream] Greetings > From: 'Steven Le Vine' > > Hey Gang, > > I am delighted to be a memeber of our unique community. I heard TD when I > was young in the 70's & I knew that when I got older this would be the group > for me, and... I am really into the Melrose years, but the new releases > of all the TDI stuff is really cool (if you can find them). > > I'm also into the Babylon 5 sountracks am am trying to get into Klaus > Schultze. Anyway, does anybody have 'The Keep'? I'm on back order with my > second on line distributor. I've been advised 2-12 weeks (it's been 4). > The only place I have even seen it listed in on GEMM. But the search is > part of the fun, right? > > Write you later, > > siberkat > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription > to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and > select the Member Center link from the menu bar on the left. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com > Thank you. > From: 'Shadow' To: TD EMAIL Sent: 13 April 1999 00:37 Subject: [tadream] Girl friend hates TD. > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Shadow try the same trick I did 10 years ago with my girl friend. > Tell her your taking her on a big night out to the theatre ( or a meal )what > ever. > Then turn up at a TD concert by which time its too late to go home so they > usually have a moan sit through the concert and become converts . > It worked for me I married mine. > Admitedly you may have to wait a while for a tour , but in the mean time > keep playing those subliminal tracks. > > Floydian carl. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription > to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and > select the Member Center link from the menu bar on the left. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com > Thank you. > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' To: Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 3:28 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: DREAM MIXES. > From: 'j.gordon' > > > > Catch ya latter FLOYDIAN CARL. > > j.gordon here... > > yes, I agree, whole heartedly... one could rotate between PF, TD and Rush, Floydian carl to J Gordon. Was it you who broke into my house and went through my record collection? You forgot to mention Zep, OzzY,Dream Theatre etc.Nice to see someone with similar taste . Long live Rock and roll Or should that be Rockoon. From: Bennett Cookson From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Shadow' > >Stephen as you may know I'm an avid fan of B5 >Can you tell me the album that contains the end tune of >'Sleeping in Light' >Also can you recommend any good Albums that are B5 related. > >' If you value your lives be some were else. ' >Delenne, Severed Dreams... Gee Shadow, I really could'nt tell. The CD 'Sleeping in Light' was released on March 23rd, 1999 (I got it as a birthday present). Here in the States, I have seen it at most of the local record shops & on-line. I to was moved by the music and consider it the best B5 CD. For a complete list of the B5 Episodic CD's try www.SonicImages.com. Actually, I have a couple of Christopher Franke solo CD's and am very pleased with them. So folks, we all seem to agree that locating TD CD's is not an easy 'dream'. You would not beleive some of the luck I've had at used CD stores ('The Man Inside' & 'Destination Berlin' for example). Anybody Listen to 'Tangerine Ambience II'? I've re-listened to the first one & am not as impressed as I originally was. So I am holding off on 'II'. siberkat From: 'Michael A. Jean' > > From: 'Shadow' > > Stephen as you may know I'm an avid fan of B5 > Can you tell me the album that contains the end tune of > 'Sleeping in Light' > Also can you recommend any good Albums that are B5 related. > > From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- |> From: Bennett Cookson [mailto:Bennett.Cookson@O...] |> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 8:24 PM |> To: 'tadream@o...' |> Subject: [tadream] maybe we need more than one list |> |> |> From: Bennett Cookson |> |> One of the great things about 'onelist.com' is you can create as |> many lists |> as you want. |> |> |> Multiple list can be a problem when they overlap/conflict to the |> point where |> people subscribe and post to both lists. But multiple lists can |> be great if |> done right. And people have the discipline to post to the right list. |> |> For example several lists could exist |> |> 'Notice List' for major messages like 'US tour..' (I wish) or 'tour |> canceled!' |> 'Review list' for 'I like/dislike '220 volt' because...' |> 'chat list' for chatting |> 'Trade List' for trading |> 'Tree list' if such a thing were to exist |> 'similar artists list' |> 'flame list?' |> etc... |> |> Anyway you get the idea. There would be a hierarchy or order to the |> lists for example the review list could be a child of the notice list and |> chat list could be a child of review list. |> |> Notice |> | |> Review |> | | | |> Chat Trade Tree ... |> |> |> The rule is that you cannot subscribe to a list with also |> subscribing to all |> parents. Therefore you know that anyone on the chat list is |> also on Notice |> and review list and you can send the post to the right list and |> avoid cross |> posting. People could subscribe to all lists without receiving |> any multiple |> postings. (assuming people keep the rule about no cross posting) This |> avoids the problem of multiple lists with the same types of |> posting (where |> people tend to post to all). Also lists can safely refer to parent lists |> but not to others (like sibling lists). |> |> Maybe it is too complicated, but I think it could work really |> cool. And we |> would get many more people willing to sign up to the lower |> traffic lists and |> still have a great way to get the word out quickly. For |> example, if I was |> just on 'notice' for awhile and I saw 'Dream Dice 2 released' I could |> quickly subscribe to the review and chat list to see what |> everyone thought |> and then maybe after a while I could unsubscribe from the chat |> list if the |> discussion went on too long... ;) |> |> Of course the hardest part would be always posting to the right list, but |> with some clear rules, I think it could be done. |> |> Just an idea... |> |> --Bennett |> |> |> |> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |> Looking to expand your world? |> http://www.ONElist.com |> ONElist has over 115,000 e-mail communities from which to chose! |> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |> Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML |> option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer..com Thank you. From: yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 7:07 am Subject: Re: TANGENTS ---------- > De : Michael A Jean > A : tadream@o... > Objet : [tadream] Re: TANGENTS > Date : mardi 13 avril 1999 19:44 > > From: Michael A Jean > > > Jeff et al, > > I saw a copy in a local shop for about $50 US this weekend... > > MJ > If you visit the Groove Unlimited website you can find the Tangent Box, as a lot of TD releases and e-music of a lot musicians Goove Unlimited : http://www.groove.nl Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Conceptions Visuelles Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: rzanelli@xxxx.xx.xx Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 10:21 am Subject: Spasms Sorry about this repost: I sent this yesterday but didn't see it come up on the list. Hi folks I have an original VHS PAL tape of Spasms available for trade/sale. Anyone interested please contact me off list. See ya, Riccardo From: 'Joe Shoults' From: Bennett Cookson From: 'j.gordon' all good stuff! > i like the one email about anthony phillips. its nice to hear about > other artists from tadream fans. i will try a phillips album. > just bought a cd last month, Celestine Prophecy, by Christopher Franke. > Pretty good. This actually a really good album for CF, I think, as well because it expands what is being done in terms of a synthesis between music and other art forms, esp. writing... all right, so I'm biased... I'm a writer... > I commented to one person off of this list that there are some albums i > bought in the mid to late 80's, such as live miles, poland, and even force > majure, that i initially did not like. yet, over the years, i have grown to > love them very much. how is that possible. is it me, or does tangerine > dream have that effect on people. Everyone has their favorite periods, but I think that one thing that really binds the TD community together is simply that at one point or another, we come to like or appreciate all their music... seasons, like... > Speaking of other artists. Any one into Gary Numan. He is big on > synthesisers, and my other favorite besides Tadream. Kraftwerk any one? > And there are so many more. Gary Numan is thumbs up cool... not terribly creative as far as instrumentation is concerned, but still, CARS... Kraftwerk is thumbs up too... Phillip Glass anyone?... Even so, when all the others are boiled away, there is simply Edgar and Co. From ARR to AES... j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Hassinen Ami' From: 'Joe Shoults' >* specific albums > -inspirations > -instrumentation/technical aspects Hello everybody! This interview thing sounds like a very good idea. My question would be like this: Various sources seem to give somewhat contradictory information on the very first TD single 'Ultima Thule I & II' Could you tell me what was the line-up for the sessions? And when it was really recorded? It is the earliest example of mellotron sounds in TD´s output (as far as I can hear), so it is somewhat hard to place in sequence with the albums... thanks, Ami From: 'Thomas' From: 'Plumer, Scott' Even so, when all the others are boiled away, there is simply Edgar and Co. I agree. To me, most other e-music just sounds like a cheap imitation of TD. Still like others, though. Scott From: 'j.gordon' if u cant discuss something publically.. u are just as > guilty as those who burned books.. or who run countries > under the evil dictatorship moniker... etc.. > would u not talk about aids cuz its a horrible disease?? > come on now... the freedom to discuss what we wish > to on a list such as this.. shouldnt be prohibited even > if it means not getting the backing that td might offer.. > if nothing else... the free speech and right to talk about > what we wish.. should be way more important to the > powers that be who have the moderation powers on this > list... not the support of the band on an internet mailing > list... what are we talking about here? cmon people... j.gordon here... Whoa! A bit strong, no? I'm with you on the free speech thing, all the way... but this isn't about free speech, it's ultimately about respect... You have to ask yourself: Do Edgar and Co. play music only because their fans want to hear it? No, of course not. And you wouldn't want it that way... the music would lose it's true essence, that which brings us back again and again... They are artists and they create what they create BECAUSE they are artists... They do it for themselves... and they put their art on the market so that they might continue to support themselves and their art... and though they may create hundreds of songs, they only will release things that they feel proud of... if they had wanted all the other songs circulated, they would have done it themselves, and in fact, are... but to steal their art - for after all, ultimately, that's what it is - and not give them a fair exchange for it... that is simply disrespectful, regardless of the justifications... I can't imagine that TD is completely overjoyed at thinking that their fan base is even more dedicated because they are listening to music that they (TD) themselves never intended to release in the first place or release it to only a limited few or in a limited way... it is their work and they have a right to say how and to whom it will be distributed... all that aside, though, the stuff does get around and it can be really great: all of which is beside the point, because the issue is not about whether bootlegs should be traded, etc, but whether they should be discussed in public... So when looked at from a different light, discussing bootlegs and other illegals on this list isn't about slapping hands and shaking fingers... it's about saying: Even though everybody knows about ripping TD off (which bootlegging does, not only financially, but it's an artistic kick in the pants) please dicuss it privately and show some respect... The ends do not justify the means... would you ask Edgar what he though about the Bootleg release of one of the concerts... if not, then dicussing it publicly should carry the same care and if you would, well, it's a slam to an incredible artist... Nothing personal intended... just another perspective on discussing bootlegs on the list From ARR to AES... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Kevin Earley' From: 'j.gordon' > > Phillip Glass anyone?... > Greetings, been listening to the re-issue of Koyaanisqatsi a lot lately. This is an amazing piece of work - much better than the original release, as the tracks are now complete. I believe it has been completely re-recorded as well (I don't have the CD handy at the moment). Not to everyone's taste - nothing at all like TD, for example - but highly recommended. Actually, I am not really a big Phillip Glass fan. I much prefer Steve Reich. Kevin Earley np: Atom Heart Mother Limited Ed. Trance Remix (One of these days... I will actually listen all the way through :) ) From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 7:18 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 29 > been listening to the re-issue of Koyaanisqatsi a lot lately. This is an > amazing piece of work - much better than the original release, as the tracks > are now complete. I believe it has been completely re-recorded as well (I > don't have the CD handy at the moment). Not to everyone's taste - nothing at > all like TD, for example - but highly recommended. > > Actually, I am not really a big Phillip Glass fan. I much prefer Steve Reich. > > Kevin Earley > > np: Atom Heart Mother Limited Ed. Trance Remix > (One of these days... I will actually listen all the way through :) ) j.gordon here... Where can I get Atom Heart Mother Limited Ed. Trance Remix???! :) And I most get the remastered version of Koy. as it is one of the best 'trance' ablums ever produced... Especially in their full-length film format... coolbeans, baby... FARR TAE Sender j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 7:31 pm Subject: Re: DREAM MIXES. > You forgot to mention Zep, OzzY,Dream Theatre etc.Nice to see someone with > similar taste . > > Long live Rock and roll Or should that be Rockoon. j.gordon here... Yeah, man, there is that music that shouldn't be shunned... The Dead, to mention another, but when you get through with them all, the great trinity PFTDRUSH are the only ones that don't grow stale... and that's the mark of good music... Ciao, my brother in Rockoon, j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 7:41 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 29 > >Even so, when all the others are boiled away, there is simply Edgar and Co. > > I agree. To me, most other e-music just sounds like a cheap imitation of TD. > Still like others, though. > > Scott j.gordon here... Hey, Scott, we wear our bias like a badge of courage or an old war wound, eh? :) From RR to ES j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Plumer, Scott' Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 7:49 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 29 > >Even so, when all the others are boiled away, there is simply Edgar and Co. > > I agree. To me, most other e-music just sounds like a cheap imitation of TD. > Still like others, though. >we wear our bias like a badge of courage or an old war wound, eh? :) More like a bizarre gardening accident! :-) But seriously, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that what we know of today as e-music came directly from TD. They are the Beatles of e-music, in my opinion. There was electronic music before, but it all changed after them. Am I in a kiss-ass mood today or what? :-) I talked on the other list about getting them into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, but it kinda fizzled after the last US tour fell through. >Brought to you by: >PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. Brought to you by the letter J and the number 420. Scott From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 8:08 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 29 j.gordon here... > More like a bizarre gardening accident! :-) You mean, as if we've been left in a Green Desert like stranded Pilots of some Purple Twilight in No-Mans land, our shattered Diamond Diary's running out of time... possibly... :) > But seriously, correct me if I'm > wrong, but I think that what we know of today as e-music came directly from > TD. They are the Beatles of e-music, in my opinion. I would have to agree that they are one of the top influences in e-music and even beyond... though DIRECTLY carry a bit of spawnage to it... well, OKAY, I agree... :) > There was electronic > music before, but it all changed after them. Am I in a kiss-ass mood today > or what? :-) Kiss-ass is good for the soul... > I talked on the other list about getting them into the Rock & > Roll Hall of Fame, but it kinda fizzled after the last US tour fell through. I look at those tour fall-throughs, like the one in Germany this year (I was lined up to go to three of the five scheduled... damn...), I look at them as TD just doing what their art and ethics demand... even though we are all disappointed at times, I think we would expect no less... :) > > >Brought to you by: > >PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. > > Brought to you by the letter J and the number 420. Not 451? :) From a Rising Runner to an Endless Sender... j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 8:26 pm Subject: Open question. From floydian Carl ( gotta change this name) Here's a question to all members ? My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on the CD juke box for one month. What in your opinion should that album be. I continue my crusade to educate the musically illiterate. Carl. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15664 Re: Open question. Plumer, Scott Wed 4/14/1999 1 KB 15665 Re: Open question. j.gordon Wed 4/14/1999 2 KB 15666 Re: Open question. j.gordon Wed 4/14/1999 2 KB 15667 Re: Open question. Sean Montgomery Wed 4/14/1999 1 KB 15668 Re: Open question. teiwaz _ Wed 4/14/1999 1 KB 15669 Re: Open question. teiwaz _ Wed 4/14/1999 1 KB 15674 Re: Open question. Jeff Stevenson Thu 4/15/1999 1 KB 15680 Re: Open question. Steven Le Vine Thu 4/15/1999 2 KB 15684 Re: Open question. Charles Amos Thu 4/15/1999 2 KB From: 'Plumer, Scott' Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 8:28 pm Subject: Re: Open question. >Here's a question to all members ? >My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on the >CD juke box for one month. >What in your opinion should that album be. Something with one long track! That way you'll get 45 min. of music for 25p or however much British jukeboxes cost. >I continue my crusade to educate the musically illiterate. A noble crusade. Scott From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 8:45 pm Subject: Re: Open question. > Here's a question to all members ? > My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on the > CD juke box for one month. > > What in your opinion should that album be. > j.gordon here... I've had the best response from non-TDers with Tyger... I think the mix of vocal and non-vocal tracks eases them in quite well, and well, one can't help but notice that Alchemy of the Heart is one of the coolest tunes around... Second vote would be Le Parc... even non-TDers dig Yellowstone Park... FaRR 2 an ES... j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 8:49 pm Subject: Re: Open question. > >What in your opinion should that album be. > Something with one long track! That way you'll get 45 min. of music for 25p > or however much British jukeboxes cost. j.gordon here... careful there... even long time TDers can choke on Rubycon or Zeit if played amid the smoke and drink of a crowd... not, IMO, good TD starters for the non-initiated... Encore, either... Maybe Live Miles, though I've not had good first time responses to that at all, and it remains my all-time Number one favorite TD album... sigh... we are surrounded by Philisitines... or is that Phillipstines... j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 8:46 pm Subject: Re: Open question. > My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on the > CD juke box for one month. > > What in your opinion should that album be. Dream Mixes. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'teiwaz _' Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 9:06 pm Subject: Re: Open question. >From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >>Here's a question to all members ? >>My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on >the >>CD juke box for one month. > >>What in your opinion should that album be. In a bar? Clearly, the Risky Business soundtrack. --teiwaz _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From: 'teiwaz _' Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 9:15 pm Subject: Re: Open question. oops--sorry if I mislead you: ...>>From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> >>>Here's a question to all members ?.... --teiwaz (a sloppy editor once again) np: LOGOS PART ONE & TWO _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 6:29 pm Subject: 4 Sale/Trade apologies for cross posting I've got an extra copies (still in wrapper) of: Tournado and Rockoon (special edition) make offer *off-list* thankx Pete Isaacson Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15921 Re: 4 Sale/Trade Mike Jr. J Schramer Wed 4/21/1999 1 KB 15947 Re: 4 Sale/Trade Dan J. Schulte Wed 4/21/1999 1 KB From: 'James Horecka, AIA' Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 9:40 pm Subject: Re: Open question. (bar juke) How about the 'Luminous Visions' CD? It's a bit 'lite' and a little 'soda-pop' with its fast beat, but might be appropriate for a happy place like a bar. The mixes are 'lite' and upbeat. The track 'Sojus' is pretty wild. The video that comes with it is something to see, very unusual. Tracks include special mixes of: Jungle Journey Towards the Evening Star Rough Embrace Catwalk Touchwood Change of the Gods Bride in Cold Tears Little Blond... Firetongues Sojus Flashflood Midwinter Night I ain't sayin' it's my favorite, but for 'new listeners' it could be a bridge, not 'heavy duty.' Another choice might be 220v Live. James E. Horecka, AIA From: 'Shadow' Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 5:22 pm Subject: Re: Looking for TD albums. Well done Carl, I do have an MVC local, there is one at the Reebok stadium near Bolton.... I agree about Virgin but how about HMV As for being skint just wait until I get paid! :-) After being on this list there are too many albums that I want! ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenne, Severed Dreams... Shadow > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Good to see a few more members from the Uk. > On the subject of finding TD albums .Today as I promised Shadow I went > shopping for more up to date TD stuff. First trying my local Virgin > megastore My advice is dont bother not only is it staffed by nazis but they > only carry one Td album at any one time and that was sold before I got > there.So I sugest to anyone in the uk if you have an MVC shop check it out > they carry a huge stock of TD and today ordered for me at no extra cost > Dream mixes and Transiberia. To Joe shoults im glad this list is free > catching up on the back catalogue is gonna cost me a bloody fortune. > Long winded i know. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Has ONElist changed your life? > http://www.ONElist.com > Visit our homepage and share with us your experiences at ONElist of the Week! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com > Thank you. > From: 'Shadow' Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 10:01 pm Subject: Fw: [tadream] Open question. Carl you are truly evil incarnate!!! One album amongst all of TDs' releases....... :-) This one could go on forever... Dream Mixes - Loads of different tunes from various albums. Oasis - 'cos it's very easy for non TD folk to listen too. I could go on but no I choose..... This is.. really... hard... can't... concentrate.......brain....melting........ ok OASIS ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenne, Severed Dreams... Shadow > Here's a question to all members ? > My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on the > CD juke box for one month. > > What in your opinion should that album be. > > I continue my crusade to educate the musically illiterate. > > Carl. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? > http://www.ONElist.com > Sign up for a new e-mail list today! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com > Thank you. > From: Jeff Stevenson > Here's a question to all members ? >> My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on the >> CD juke box for one month. >> >> What in your opinion should that album be. >I've had the best response from non-TDers with Tyger... I think the mix of Ahhhh Tyger? I thought he want to convert them TO TD. You play any of the vocals off that and any of the 'common' men (pun intended) will kick the cr*p out of the jukebox. You would be better off with one of the newer releases. What kind of bar is it? Pop? I'm assuming not country/metal. You may want to go with Dream Mixes. From: 'anthony simeone' >Gary Numan is thumbs up cool... not terribly creative as far as instrumentation >is concerned, but still, CARS... Kraftwerk is thumbs up too... i disagree. i have 36 gary numan cd's. he's written close to 300 songs. has over 8 remixes of Cars alone. anyone that can remix a song that many times is a genius. i actually saw him live in concert, and his synths blew me away.. and after 20 yrs, he is still going strong >_______________________________________________________________________________ > >Message: 15 > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:26:53 +0100 > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' >Subject: Open question. > >From floydian Carl ( gotta change this name) > >Here's a question to all members ? >My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on the CD juke box for one month. > >What in your opinion should that album be. > >I continue my crusade to educate the musically illiterate. > >Carl. hey carl, keep crusading! i try very hard to crusade tadream with people at work, and i entertain my friends at home with them. it seems like they know they are listening to great stuff, but dont want to admit it. anthony ajsrails@h... _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 10:51 pm Subject: THANKS FROM CARL Just like to say thanks for the input so far results to be anounced in the near future. I only hope the final choice is actualy one of the albums i've already got. Got a few more days yet so keep them coming. Added another one today to the collection in fact listening to it as we speak , not too sure yet ? the first track is excellent but not convinced yet about the rest.The album i'm refering to is Goblins club. Catch ya latter carl ( will think of a new handle soon ) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15685 Re: THANKS FROM CARL Charles Amos Thu 4/15/1999 2 KB From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 10:58 pm Subject: shadow mvc Glad to hear mvc local to you make sure you get the store card i'ts free and saves you a couple of quid per album or video. Nice to see another northener on the list. Have probably upset the rest of the country now Sorry folks Live long and prosper ( sorry slipped into treck mode Dohh!) From: JMPoer Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 10:57 pm Subject: Re: - Digest Replies Hi, At the risk, and full knowledge of getting flamed here, I'd like to ask those members who use the digest to change the subject line in their replies to that of the thread they are discussing. When you don't, those of us on the 'real time' list get a flood of 'Re: Digest #xx' messages. I know its an extra step, but it sure would help keep the threads separated. Thanks for your support. John M. Poer jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15688 Re: - Digest Replies Joe Shoults Thu 4/15/1999 1 KB From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 11:17 pm Subject: Gary numan ? The question was asked anybody into Gary numan Ive seen him several times the last being the dominion in London several years ago.A few years before that I had the privilege of playing a very lengthy and drunken game of pool with Criss Cross who was then the keyboard player with Ultravox ( the original line up with John Fox ) and I remember the discussion about whether or not he was going to join this new band called Tubeway army We all laughed and commented about what a stupid name for a group if I were you I wouldn't bother. How wrong can you get as the band went from strength to strength. Just goes to show how much I know about the music industry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15810 Re: Gary numan ? Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Mon 4/19/1999 2 KB From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 11:40 pm Subject: Re: Open question. I hate to say it, but you probably have to be very gentle with the masses in regards to TD. As all of you are aware. I would say something like 'Optical Race' or 'Dream Mixes'. If you try something like 'Phaedra', you are just asking for trouble. cheers ---------- >From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' >To: 'TD EMAIL' >Subject: [tadream] Open question. >Date: Wed, Apr 14, 1999, 4:26 PM > >From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > >>From floydian Carl ( gotta change this name) > >Here's a question to all members ? >My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on the >CD juke box for one month. > >What in your opinion should that album be. > >I continue my crusade to educate the musically illiterate. > >Carl. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? >http://www.ONElist.com >Sign up for a new e-mail list today! >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option >(instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), >and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the >tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com >Thank you. > From: 'Michael A. Jean' Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 12:08 am Subject: Re: jukebox What about something from Dream Roots or Tangents? > > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Just like to say thanks for the input so far results to be anounced in the > near future. I only hope the final choice is actualy one of the > albums i've > already got. Got a few more days yet so keep them coming. > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15682 Re: jukebox TJames0001@a... Thu 4/15/1999 1 KB 15683 Re: jukebox Sean Montgomery Thu 4/15/1999 1 KB 15715 Re: jukebox Steven Le Vine Thu 4/15/1999 2 KB 15716 Re: jukebox Steven Le Vine Thu 4/15/1999 2 KB 15917 Re: jukebox Mike Jr. J Schramer Wed 4/21/1999 1 KB 36948 Re: jukebox Fred Yargui fredyargui Fri 11/1/2002 3 KB 36949 Re: jukebox Michael A Jean mikejeanwork Fri 11/1/2002 4 KB 36953 Re: jukebox rtol008 rtol008 Fri 11/1/2002 4 KB 36951 Re: jukebox Fred Yargui fredyargui Fri 11/1/2002 3 KB From: TJames0001@a... Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 12:48 am Subject: Re: jukebox Hi all---new member here...TD fan since 67...suggest you might try Edgar's solo CD 'Beyond the Storm.' Several of Edgar's songs remind me of about everything TD has ever done. Very good copulation. Tom From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 12:49 am Subject: Re: jukebox > Hi all---new member here...TD fan since 67...suggest you might try Edgar's > solo CD 'Beyond the Storm.' ....Very good copulation. Well, I suppose you could say that. Many people have sung the praises of TD as an ideal soundtrack for sex. ;-) SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Charles Amos Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 1:08 am Subject: Re: Open question. I agree, Dream Mixes. -Bill Amos Sean Montgomery wrote: > > From: Sean Montgomery > > > My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on the > > CD juke box for one month. > > > > What in your opinion should that album be. > > Dream Mixes. > > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > You can now easily share photos and documents with your fellow list members > http://www.ONElist.com > Check out our homepage for details on how to use our new shared files feature! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com > Thank you. From: Charles Amos Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 1:12 am Subject: Re: THANKS FROM CARL That's a good choice. -Bill Amos Carl & Jacqui Kearney wrote: > > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Just like to say thanks for the input so far results to be anounced in the > near future. I only hope the final choice is actualy one of the albums i've > already got. Got a few more days yet so keep them coming. > Added another one today to the collection in fact listening to it as we > speak , not too sure yet ? the first track is excellent but not convinced > yet about the rest.The album i'm refering to is Goblins club. > > Catch ya latter carl ( will think of a new handle soon ) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Has ONElist changed your life? > http://www.ONElist.com > Visit our homepage and share with us your experiences at ONElist of the Week! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com > Thank you. From: Charles Amos Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 1:24 am Subject: Re: Digest Number 29 Hello All, I am new to the list , really enjoy reading the posts. I do like Patrick O'Hearn also, have stuff by Colin Chin, Carol Nethen - BUT I always am drawn back to TD and their former members (Christopher Franke and Paul Haslinger). Tangerine Dream is the best in my humble opinion. -Bill Plumer, Scott wrote: > > From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >Even so, when all the others are boiled away, there is simply Edgar and Co. > > I agree. To me, most other e-music just sounds like a cheap imitation of TD. > Still like others, though. > > Scott > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Have you visited the new ONElist home page lately? > http://www.ONElist.com > ONElist: The Leading e-mail list and community service on the Internet! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com > Thank you. From: 'Dan J. Schulte' Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 1:28 am Subject: Re: Digest Number 29 Plumer, Scott wrote: > > From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >Even so, when all the others are boiled away, there is simply Edgar and Co. > > I agree. To me, most other e-music just sounds like a cheap imitation of TD. > Still like others, though. Hey now, watch it now. ;-p Dan -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 3:38 am Subject: Re: - Digest Replies |> At the risk, and full knowledge of getting flamed here, I'd like |> to ask those members who use the digest to change the subject |> line in their replies to that of the thread they are discussing. |> -John M. Poer Not an unreasonable request at all, John. I totally agree, and I'll add that if a thread evolves into a new topic, it is sensible to change the subject line in those cases, as well. Thanks! -joe From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 3:38 am Subject: Re: Open question. |> My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD |> album on the CD juke box for one month. ...(which?) Awesome! I have been exhibiting at an internet trade show for the last couple days. I alternated between some Kraftwerk and Goblin's Club at our booth, and it was a fantastic attractor! People kept asking what music I was playing, and I can't tell you how hard it was to put the brakes on my mouth about TD and talk business! It is a sublime thrill indeed to induce people to write down the name 'Tangerine Dream' for their first time! Granted a bar atmosphere is different, though (what KIND of bar is it? that's a very important question!). Given the popular accessibility (referring to the limited attention span of the general public) of the newer stuff, maybe 'The Private Music of TD' compilation album, Dream Mixes or Goblin's Club would be good choices, even though my grandmother fell in love with Underwater Sunlight upon first hearing. The only song off Goblin's Club that might not be understood could be Sad Merlin's Sunday, but the rest of Goblin's Club would go over well almost anywhere, IMHO, so that would be my stronget suggestion. Let us all know what you choose and how it goes! -joe From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 3:46 am Subject: thank you, j.gordon (it's all about respect) here, here! Thank you SO much for elaborating this, because I just couldn't translate my feelings into text as eloquently as you have here. I have been hoping this thread would end soon, and you have finally put the icing on it from any reasonable standpoint. I have left your post intact- just in case anyone bypassed it to emphasize they read it. -joe (regarding the discussion of bootlegs & 'freedom of speech' on this list) > if u cant discuss something publically.. u are just as > guilty as those who burned books.. or who run countries > under the evil dictatorship moniker... etc.. > would u not talk about aids cuz its a horrible disease?? > come on now... the freedom to discuss what we wish > to on a list such as this.. shouldnt be prohibited even > if it means not getting the backing that td might offer.. > if nothing else... the free speech and right to talk about > what we wish.. should be way more important to the > powers that be who have the moderation powers on this > list... not the support of the band on an internet mailing > list... what are we talking about here? cmon people... j.gordon's response: |> Whoa! A bit strong, no? I'm with you on the free speech thing, |> all the way... |> but this isn't about free speech, it's ultimately about |> respect... You have to |> ask yourself: Do Edgar and Co. play music only because their |> fans want to hear |> it? No, of course not. And you wouldn't want it that way... the |> music would |> lose it's true essence, that which brings us back again and |> again... They are |> artists and they create what they create BECAUSE they are |> artists... They do it |> for themselves... and they put their art on the market so that they might |> continue to support themselves and their art... and though they |> may create |> hundreds of songs, they only will release things that they feel |> proud of... if |> they had wanted all the other songs circulated, they would have done it |> themselves, and in fact, are... but to steal their art - for after all, |> ultimately, that's what it is - and not give them a fair |> exchange for it... |> that is simply disrespectful, regardless of the justifications... I can't |> imagine that TD is completely overjoyed at thinking that their |> fan base is even |> more dedicated because they are listening to music that they |> (TD) themselves |> never intended to release in the first place or release it to |> only a limited |> few or in a limited way... it is their work and they have a |> right to say how |> and to whom it will be distributed... all that aside, though, |> the stuff does |> get around and it can be really great: all of which is beside the point, |> because the issue is not about whether bootlegs should be |> traded, etc, but |> whether they should be discussed in public... |> |> So when looked at from a different light, discussing bootlegs and other |> illegals on this list isn't about slapping hands and shaking |> fingers... it's |> about saying: Even though everybody knows about ripping TD off (which |> bootlegging does, not only financially, but it's an artistic |> kick in the pants) |> please dicuss it privately and show some respect... |> |> The ends do not justify the means... would you ask Edgar what he |> though about |> the Bootleg release of one of the concerts... if not, then dicussing it |> publicly should carry the same care and if you would, well, it's |> a slam to an |> incredible artist... |> |> Nothing personal intended... just another perspective on |> discussing bootlegs on |> the list |> |> >From ARR to AES... |> |> j.gordon |> |> === |> *************************************************** |> Brought to you by: |> PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. |> |> j.gordon From: 'Dan J. Schulte' Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 5:39 am Subject: TD soundtrack list? Can anyone here forward me a list of every TD soundtrack completed to date? If you can cut & paste a list you may have laying around I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Dan -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15721 Re: TD soundtrack list? Steven Le Vine Thu 4/15/1999 1 KB 15723 Re: TD soundtrack list? Dan J. Schulte Fri 4/16/1999 1 KB 15733 Re: TD soundtrack list? j.gordon Fri 4/16/1999 2 KB 15737 Re: TD soundtrack list? Plumer, Scott Fri 4/16/1999 2 KB 15745 Re: TD soundtrack list? Dan J. Schulte Fri 4/16/1999 1 KB 15765 Re: TD soundtrack list? Steven Le Vine Sat 4/17/1999 1 KB From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 7:07 am Subject: Re: - Digest Replies & purging Hi all, I have something to add, see under. >From: 'Joe Shoults' > >|> At the risk, and full knowledge of getting flamed here, I'd like >|> to ask those members who use the digest to change the subject >|> line in their replies to that of the thread they are discussing. >|> -John M. Poer > >Not an unreasonable request at all, John. I totally agree, and I'll add that >if a thread evolves into a new topic, it is sensible to change the subject >line in those cases, as well. >Thanks! > -joe > Yes, and it's also considered good to purge the reply of redundant information, like the footer. It takes just a few seconds you know. And you will get more respect from the other members if you do. Take care, Geir [Spelling and granatical errors left in to excercise mind] From: rob.dorey@b... Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 11:46 am Subject: Re: Digest Number 34 > -----Original Message----- > From: tadream@o... [SMTP:tadream@o...] > Sent: 15 April 1999 12:08 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 34 > > > Did you know that ONElist hosts some of the largest lists on the Internet? > http://www.ONElist.com > Our scaleable system is the most reliable free e-mail service on the > Internet! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option > (instructions at > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and > appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the > tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com > > Thank you. > > > There are 19 messages in this issue. > > Topics in today's digest: > > 1. Re: Open question. > From: Jeff Stevenson > 2. Re: Digest Number 33 > From: 'anthony simeone' > 3. THANKS FROM CARL > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > 4. shadow mvc > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > 5. Re: - Digest Replies > From: JMPoer > 6. Gary numan ? > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > 7. Re: Open question. > From: 'Steven Le Vine' > 8. Re: jukebox > From: 'Michael A. Jean' > 9. Re: jukebox > From: TJames0001@a... > 10. Re: jukebox > From: Sean Montgomery > 11. Re: Open question. > From: Charles Amos > 12. Re: THANKS FROM CARL > From: Charles Amos > 13. Re: Digest Number 29 > From: Charles Amos > 14. Re: Digest Number 29 > From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > 15. Re: - Digest Replies > From: 'Joe Shoults' > 16. Re: Open question. > From: 'Joe Shoults' > 17. thank you, j.gordon (it's all about respect) > From: 'Joe Shoults' > 18. TD soundtrack list? > From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > 19. Re: - Digest Replies & purging > From: Geir Smedsrud > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:28:00 -0700 > From: Jeff Stevenson > Subject: Re: Open question. > > At 01:45 PM 4/14/1999 -0700, you wrote: > >> Here's a question to all members ? > >> My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album > on > the > >> CD juke box for one month. > >> > >> What in your opinion should that album be. > >I've had the best response from non-TDers with Tyger... I think the mix > of > > It would have to be some of the more melodic stuff- so Dream Mixes 1 I would say. Remember the short attention span of some of these dorks!!! They're used to Celine Dion for God's sake. Rockoon might go down well also, although it's not one of my personal favourites._________________________________________________________________ ______________ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:46:13 PDT > From: 'anthony simeone' > Subject: Re: Digest Number 33 > > in response to Carl & Jacqui Kearney which Cd to play for the ignorant > masses? > > You cant absorb all of Tadream on just 1 CD. That is a crime! Try to > work a deal where you can change cds, at least one new one every month or > every other month! my suggestions: (again, cant pick one) .. > destination berlin, logos, goblins club, hyperboria, dream mixes, rockoon, > 220 volt live, le parc, underwater sunlight. got em all, and they all > have good tunes. i would be glad to mention about a dozen more, but i'll > stop here. definitely want up beat music. > > > > >Gary Numan is thumbs up cool... not terribly creative as far as > instrumentation > >is concerned, but still, CARS... Kraftwerk is thumbs up too... > i disagree. i have 36 gary numan cd's. he's written close to 300 songs. > has over 8 remixes of Cars alone. anyone that can remix a song that many > times is a genius. i actually saw him live in concert, and his synths > blew me away.. and after 20 yrs, he is still going strong > >_________________________________________________________________________ > ______ > > > >Message: 15 > > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:26:53 +0100 > > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > >Subject: Open question. > > > >From floydian Carl ( gotta change this name) > > > >Here's a question to all members ? > >My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on > the CD juke box for one month. > > > >What in your opinion should that album be. > > > >I continue my crusade to educate the musically illiterate. > > > >Carl. > > hey carl, keep crusading! i try very hard to crusade tadream with people > at work, and i entertain my friends at home with them. it seems like they > know they are listening to great stuff, but dont want to admit it. > anthony ajsrails@h... > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:51:01 +0100 > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > Subject: THANKS FROM CARL > > Just like to say thanks for the input so far results to be anounced in the > near future. I only hope the final choice is actualy one of the albums > i've > already got. Got a few more days yet so keep them coming. > Added another one today to the collection in fact listening to it as we > speak , not too sure yet ? the first track is excellent but not convinced > yet about the rest.The album i'm refering to is Goblins club. > > Catch ya latter carl ( will think of a new handle soon ) > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:58:28 +0100 > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > Subject: shadow mvc > > Glad to hear mvc local to you make sure you get the store card i'ts free > and > saves you a couple of quid per album or video. > Nice to see another northener on the list. > > Have probably upset the rest of the country now Sorry folks > > Live long and prosper ( sorry slipped into treck mode Dohh!) > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:57:56 -0700 > From: JMPoer > Subject: Re: - Digest Replies > > Hi, > > At the risk, and full knowledge of getting flamed here, I'd like to ask > those > members who use the digest to change the subject line in their replies to > that > of the thread they are discussing. > > When you don't, those of us on the 'real time' list get a flood of 'Re: > Digest > #xx' messages. > > I know its an extra step, but it sure would help keep the threads > separated. > > Thanks for your support. > > John M. Poer > > > jp > > 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:17:19 +0100 > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > Subject: Gary numan ? > > The question was asked anybody into Gary numan Ive seen him several times > the last being the dominion in London several years ago.A few years before > that I had the privilege of playing a very lengthy and drunken game of > pool > with Criss Cross who was then the keyboard player with Ultravox ( the > original line up with John Fox ) and I remember the discussion about > whether > or not he was going to join this new band called Tubeway army We all > laughed > and commented about what a stupid name for a group if I were you I > wouldn't > bother. > How wrong can you get as the band went from strength to strength. > Just goes to show how much I know about the music industry > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:40:55 -0400 > From: 'Steven Le Vine' > Subject: Re: Open question. > > I hate to say it, but you probably have to be very gentle with the masses > in > regards to TD. As all of you are aware. I would say something like > 'Optical Race' or 'Dream Mixes'. If you try something like 'Phaedra', you > are just asking for trouble. > > cheers > > ---------- > >From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > >To: 'TD EMAIL' > >Subject: [tadream] Open question. > >Date: Wed, Apr 14, 1999, 4:26 PM > > > > >From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > > >>From floydian Carl ( gotta change this name) > > > >Here's a question to all members ? > >My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on > the > >CD juke box for one month. > > > >What in your opinion should that album be. > > > >I continue my crusade to educate the musically illiterate. > > > >Carl. > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? > >http://www.ONElist.com > >Sign up for a new e-mail list today! > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option > >(instructions at > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), > >and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the > >tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com > >Thank you. > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:08:45 -0500 > From: 'Michael A. Jean' > Subject: Re: jukebox > > What about something from Dream Roots or Tangents? > > > > > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > > > Just like to say thanks for the input so far results to be anounced in > the > > near future. I only hope the final choice is actualy one of the > > albums i've > > already got. Got a few more days yet so keep them coming. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:48:17 EDT > From: TJames0001@a... > Subject: Re: jukebox > > Hi all---new member here...TD fan since 67...suggest you might try Edgar's > > solo CD 'Beyond the Storm.' Several of Edgar's songs remind me of about > > everything TD has ever done. Very good copulation. > > Tom > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:49:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: Sean Montgomery > Subject: Re: jukebox > > > > > Hi all---new member here...TD fan since 67...suggest you might try > Edgar's > > solo CD 'Beyond the Storm.' ....Very good copulation. > > > Well, I suppose you could say that. Many people have sung the praises of > TD as an ideal soundtrack for sex. ;-) > > > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:08:18 -0400 > From: Charles Amos > Subject: Re: Open question. > > I agree, Dream Mixes. > -Bill Amos > > Sean Montgomery wrote: > > > > From: Sean Montgomery > > > > > My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album > on the > > > CD juke box for one month. > > > > > > What in your opinion should that album be. > > > > Dream Mixes. > > > > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator > > > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > You can now easily share photos and documents with your fellow list > members > > http://www.ONElist.com > > Check out our homepage for details on how to use our new shared files > feature! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option > (instructions at > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and > appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the > tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com > > Thank you. > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:12:26 -0400 > From: Charles Amos > Subject: Re: THANKS FROM CARL > > That's a good choice. > -Bill Amos > > Carl & Jacqui Kearney wrote: > > > > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > > > Just like to say thanks for the input so far results to be anounced in > the > > near future. I only hope the final choice is actualy one of the albums > i've > > already got. Got a few more days yet so keep them coming. > > Added another one today to the collection in fact listening to it as we > > speak , not too sure yet ? the first track is excellent but not > convinced > > yet about the rest.The album i'm refering to is Goblins club. > > > > Catch ya latter carl ( will think of a new handle soon ) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Has ONElist changed your life? > > http://www.ONElist.com > > Visit our homepage and share with us your experiences at ONElist of the > Week! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option > (instructions at > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and > appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the > tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com > > Thank you. > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:24:03 -0400 > From: Charles Amos > Subject: Re: Digest Number 29 > > Hello All, > I am new to the list , really enjoy reading the posts. I do like > Patrick O'Hearn also, have stuff by Colin Chin, Carol Nethen - BUT I > always am drawn back to TD and their former members (Christopher Franke > and Paul Haslinger). Tangerine Dream is the best in my humble opinion. > -Bill > > Plumer, Scott wrote: > > > > From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > > >Even so, when all the others are boiled away, there is simply Edgar and > Co. > > > > I agree. To me, most other e-music just sounds like a cheap imitation of > TD. > > Still like others, though. > > > > Scott > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Have you visited the new ONElist home page lately? > > http://www.ONElist.com > > ONElist: The Leading e-mail list and community service on the Internet! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option > (instructions at > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and > appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the > tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com > > Thank you. > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:28:00 -0700 > From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > Subject: Re: Digest Number 29 > > Plumer, Scott wrote: > > > > From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > > >Even so, when all the others are boiled away, there is simply Edgar and > Co. > > > > I agree. To me, most other e-music just sounds like a cheap imitation of > TD. > > Still like others, though. > > Hey now, watch it now. ;-p > > Dan > -- > Dan J. Schulte > Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ > Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 15 > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:38:50 -0400 > From: 'Joe Shoults' > Subject: Re: - Digest Replies > > |> At the risk, and full knowledge of getting flamed here, I'd like > |> to ask those members who use the digest to change the subject > |> line in their replies to that of the thread they are discussing. > |> -John M. Poer > > Not an unreasonable request at all, John. I totally agree, and I'll add > that > if a thread evolves into a new topic, it is sensible to change the subject > line in those cases, as well. > Thanks! > -joe > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 16 > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:38:53 -0400 > From: 'Joe Shoults' > Subject: Re: Open question. > > |> My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD > |> album on the CD juke box for one month. ...(which?) > > Awesome! I have been exhibiting at an internet trade show for the last > couple days. I alternated between some Kraftwerk and Goblin's Club at our > booth, and it was a fantastic attractor! People kept asking what music I > was playing, and I can't tell you how hard it was to put the brakes on my > mouth about TD and talk business! It is a sublime thrill indeed to induce > people to write down the name 'Tangerine Dream' for their first time! > > Granted a bar atmosphere is different, though (what KIND of bar is it? > that's a very important question!). Given the popular accessibility > (referring to the limited attention span of the general public) of the > newer > stuff, maybe 'The Private Music of TD' compilation album, Dream Mixes or > Goblin's Club would be good choices, even though my grandmother fell in > love > with Underwater Sunlight upon first hearing. The only song off Goblin's > Club that might not be understood could be Sad Merlin's Sunday, but the > rest > of Goblin's Club would go over well almost anywhere, IMHO, so that would > be > my stronget suggestion. > > Let us all know what you choose and how it goes! > > -joe > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 17 > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:46:36 -0400 > From: 'Joe Shoults' > Subject: thank you, j.gordon (it's all about respect) > > here, here! > > Thank you SO much for elaborating this, because I just couldn't translate > my > feelings into text as eloquently as you have here. I have been hoping > this > thread would end soon, and you have finally put the icing on it from any > reasonable standpoint. I have left your post intact- just in case anyone > bypassed it to emphasize they read it. > -joe > > (regarding the discussion of bootlegs & 'freedom of speech' on this list) > > > if u cant discuss something publically.. u are just as > > guilty as those who burned books.. or who run countries > > under the evil dictatorship moniker... etc.. > > would u not talk about aids cuz its a horrible disease?? > > come on now... the freedom to discuss what we wish > > to on a list such as this.. shouldnt be prohibited even > > if it means not getting the backing that td might offer.. > > if nothing else... the free speech and right to talk about > > what we wish.. should be way more important to the > > powers that be who have the moderation powers on this > > list... not the support of the band on an internet mailing > > list... what are we talking about here? cmon people... > > j.gordon's response: > |> Whoa! A bit strong, no? I'm with you on the free speech thing, > |> all the way... > |> but this isn't about free speech, it's ultimately about > |> respect... You have to > |> ask yourself: Do Edgar and Co. play music only because their > |> fans want to hear > |> it? No, of course not. And you wouldn't want it that way... the > |> music would > |> lose it's true essence, that which brings us back again and > |> again... They are > |> artists and they create what they create BECAUSE they are > |> artists... They do it > |> for themselves... and they put their art on the market so that they > might > |> continue to support themselves and their art... and though they > |> may create > |> hundreds of songs, they only will release things that they feel > |> proud of... if > |> they had wanted all the other songs circulated, they would have done it > |> themselves, and in fact, are... but to steal their art - for after all, > |> ultimately, that's what it is - and not give them a fair > |> exchange for it... > |> that is simply disrespectful, regardless of the justifications... I > can't > |> imagine that TD is completely overjoyed at thinking that their > |> fan base is even > |> more dedicated because they are listening to music that they > |> (TD) themselves > |> never intended to release in the first place or release it to > |> only a limited > |> few or in a limited way... it is their work and they have a > |> right to say how > |> and to whom it will be distributed... all that aside, though, > |> the stuff does > |> get around and it can be really great: all of which is beside the > point, > |> because the issue is not about whether bootlegs should be > |> traded, etc, but > |> whether they should be discussed in public... > |> > |> So when looked at from a different light, discussing bootlegs and other > |> illegals on this list isn't about slapping hands and shaking > |> fingers... it's > |> about saying: Even though everybody knows about ripping TD off (which > |> bootlegging does, not only financially, but it's an artistic > |> kick in the pants) > |> please dicuss it privately and show some respect... > |> > |> The ends do not justify the means... would you ask Edgar what he > |> though about > |> the Bootleg release of one of the concerts... if not, then dicussing it > |> publicly should carry the same care and if you would, well, it's > |> a slam to an > |> incredible artist... > |> > |> Nothing personal intended... just another perspective on > |> discussing bootlegs on > |> the list > |> > |> >From ARR to AES... > |> > |> j.gordon > |> > |> === > |> *************************************************** > |> Brought to you by: > |> PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. > |> > |> j.gordon > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 18 > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:39:39 -0700 > From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > Subject: TD soundtrack list? > > Can anyone here forward me a list of every TD soundtrack completed to > date? If you can cut & paste a list you may have laying around I'd > appreciate it. Thanks, > > Dan > -- > Dan J. Schulte > Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ > Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Message: 19 > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:07:31 +0200 > From: Geir Smedsrud > Subject: Re: - Digest Replies & purging > > Hi all, I have something to add, see under. > > >From: 'Joe Shoults' > > > >|> At the risk, and full knowledge of getting flamed here, I'd like > >|> to ask those members who use the digest to change the subject > >|> line in their replies to that of the thread they are discussing. > >|> -John M. Poer > > > >Not an unreasonable request at all, John. I totally agree, and I'll add > that > >if a thread evolves into a new topic, it is sensible to change the > subject > >line in those cases, as well. > >Thanks! > > -joe > > > Yes, and it's also considered good to purge the reply of redundant > information, like the footer. It takes just a few seconds you know. And > you > will get more respect from the other members if you do. > > Take care, > > > Geir > > [Spelling and granatical errors left in to excercise mind] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____ From: 'Kevin Earley' j.gordon here... > > Where can I get Atom Heart Mother Limited Ed. Trance Remix???! :) Hi J. I have seen the Atom Heart Mother Limited Ed. Trance Remix, the Meddle Limited Ed. Trance Remix and Rubycon revisited in local CD stores here in Toronto. I still haven't been able to sit through the AHM remix, however; and wouldn't therefore recommend any of them. Never thought of Koyannisqatsi as 'Trance', but I think I can hear why that label might be applied. It makes me suspect that other minimalist pieces could also be so considered. Kevin Earley kearley@r... np: Steve Reich - Six Pianos Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15782 Re: Atom Heart Mother Trance Remix j.gordon Thu 4/15/1999 2 KB From: 'Plumer, Scott' Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 1:20 pm Subject: Re: Open question. >>> What in your opinion should that album be. >>I've had the best response from non-TDers with Tyger... I think the mix of >Ahhhh Tyger? I thought he want to convert them TO TD. You play any of the >vocals off that and any of the 'common' men (pun intended) will kick the >cr*p out of the jukebox. You would be better off with one of the newer >releases. What kind of bar is it? Pop? I'm assuming not country/metal. >You may want to go with Dream Mixes. Dream Mixes would work, although there was a bar when I was in college that had Exit in the jukebox. They also had a lot of other unusual stuff. Scott From: 'Ambassador Nelaskon' Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 3:14 pm Subject: Interview questions and Dream Trinity. About the TD interview... >* origins > -what was it like studying with Dali? > -from where did the TD name really come? After all this time, you still haven't learned that TD will never tell us the real origin of the name. Pity. It IS from Lucy In The Sky... but Edgar denies it... >> You forgot to mention Zep, OzzY,Dream Theater etc.Nice to see someone with >> similar taste . >> >> Long live Rock and roll Or should that be Rockoon. Rockoon rules. Especially tracks 1-3. And Dream Theater absolutely kicks major ass out of EVERY other band except TD. >Yeah, man, there is that music that shouldn't be shunned... The Dead, to >mention another, but when you get through with them all, the great trinity >PFTDRUSH are the only ones that don't grow stale... and that's the mark of good >music... Trinity? Hmmm... Tangerine Dream Theater... TDTKMFDM? But I do agree that Rush never gets old either. -Nelaskon ECA --- 'Never stop Dreaming. When you forget how to Dream, you forget how to live.' -maX Verran [Aurealis] Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15698 Re: Interview questions and Dream Trinity. Plumer, Scott Thu 4/15/1999 1 KB 15700 Re: Interview questions and Dream Trinity. Bennett Cookson Thu 4/15/1999 1 KB 15702 Re: Interview questions and Dream Trinity. Thomas Thu 4/15/1999 2 KB 15741 Re: Interview questions and Dream Trinity. Antonio Nunes Fri 4/16/1999 2 KB 15785 Re: Interview questions and Dream Trinity. Leon Roszkowski Sat 4/17/1999 2 KB From: 'Ambassador Nelaskon' Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 3:24 pm Subject: Juke Box Hero >Here's a question to all members. >My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on the >CD juke box for one month. > >What in your opinion should that album be? Well, here are my opinions on the names mentioned already: >Something with one long track! That way you'll get 45 min. of music for 25p >or however much British jukeboxes cost. But what? Most of those albums have 1 or 2 things the masses might like, but the rest is... um, wasted space? Why not put something on there with a LOT of potential hits? However, Poland could be really good. I don't think their long, drawn out tracks & stuff would hit off with most TD 'gentiles' though. >I've had the best response from non-TDers with Tyger... I think the mix of AUGH!!! I AM a TDer and I can't stand this album. I think it's the ONLY one of theirs that I would never wish on anyone else. Besides, if you want to introduce people to TD, the vocal crap on Tyger is not the way to do it. No offense, Tyger listeners. >Dream Mixes. Better. My only objection there is that it's ALL dancey. And TD is not just about that. And to be honest, I know a lot of people who LIKED it (well, Luminous Visions), but thought they all sounded the same. Also, if you're referring to the Miramar version, Sojus isn't even on it, and I think that's the best of the lot... >How about the 'Luminous Visions' CD? It's a bit 'lite' and a little More variety and better tracks than Dream Mixes I think. But it still gets a little old after a while. >Dream Mixes - Loads of different tunes from various albums. The other albums don't count. They're all remixed so that it really stands as a separate album. My suggestion follows... >Oasis - 'cos it's very easy for non TD folk to listen too. OK. Flashflood, Waterborne, and Summer Storm maybe. But that's only 3 tracks. We need more. -- Someone later mentioned Optical Race and 220 Volt. Optical Race is WAY too soft and new-agey I think. A couple greats, but not good for an intro album... OK. 220 Volt Live I think would be a good choice. Private Music Of would also be pretty good. --- But I think BY FAR the best choice (and I'm surprised it's only been mentioned like once) is Tournado. Well, why NOT? It has EVERYTHING. A lot of the Dream Mixes stuff is there, but it digs deeper than that. Not only does it hit different albums, but the WAY it does it presents an image of Tangerine Dream as a very versatile band, while all the tracks have a common 'fiber' to them. Plus the individual tracks are about as good as you can get. The track 220 Volt beats the Hell out of the album version, as do Touchwood FM and Little Blond.. (Dream Mixes cuts that one to shreds). Plus it has the guitar, but it's not overdone, so it doesn't get old at all. IMO this album kicks so mush ass (plus my personal experience has shown that this album is totally by the best at grabbing people's attention and making TD converts) that I think it would be a crime against humanity :) NOT to use it. I think it's the best 90s album they've ever done, and it comes as close as possible, I think, to presenting a view of 90s TD in one CD. Sorry for making such a long and boring post. /me turns telemarketer mode off. -Nelaskon ECA --- 'Never stop Dreaming. When you forget how to Dream, you forget how to live.' -maX Verran [Aurealis] Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15703 Re: Juke Box Hero j.gordon Thu 4/15/1999 2 KB 15705 Re: Juke Box Hero Plumer, Scott Thu 4/15/1999 1 KB 15706 Re: Juke Box Hero Thomas Thu 4/15/1999 1 KB 15707 Re: Juke Box Hero Bennett Cookson Thu 4/15/1999 1 KB 15711 Re: Juke Box Hero Jeff Stevenson Thu 4/15/1999 1 KB 15712 Re: Juke Box Hero KMu9978842@xxx.xxx Thu 4/15/1999 2 KB 15713 Re: Juke Box Hero KMu9978842@xxx.xxx Thu 4/15/1999 2 KB 15714 Re: Juke Box Hero Joe Shoults Thu 4/15/1999 1 KB 15719 Re: Juke Box Hero Steven Le Vine Thu 4/15/1999 1 KB From: 'Plumer, Scott' Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 3:34 pm Subject: Re: Interview questions and Dream Trinity. > After all this time, you still haven't learned that TD will never tell us the real origin of >the name. Pity. It IS from Lucy In The Sky... but Edgar denies it... Funny you should mention this... I just watched a video I have that features a brief interview with TD from Australia in '82. Ed said the name was from LSD - I mean Lucy in the Sky. :-) He said they consciously changed it, though, that it wasn't a mistake. I forget his exact words, but that's the gist of it. Another thing he said that I found REALLY interesting was that the band was thinking of moving to Australia! Apparently they tried, but Oz immigration rejected them for soem reason, I don't remember what. Scott From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 3:29 pm Subject: Re: Call for TD interview questions Thanks for the responses so far for interview questions; please keep them coming! -Joe From: Bennett Cookson Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 3:52 pm Subject: Re: Interview questions and Dream Trinity. >> Long live Rock and roll Or should that be Rockoon. Rockoon rules. Especially tracks 1-3. Yes, plus Track 4, 'Graffiti Street' is one of my all time favorites, it alone is worth buying the album for... I really enjoy the 'sneak preview' guitar blast at the beginning and how it fades away and then comes back it its place as the song gets going. This is an example of what instrumental rock really should be. (In my opinion) --Bennett Np 'Graffiti Street' From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 5:16 pm Subject: Re: Open question. One thing that we should keep in mind here...it's a jukebox! People don't want to hear 20-minute songs by a band they don't know on a jukebox. You'll have them pulling the plug if you put Poland in there. I suggested Dream Mixes because it's vigourous, but also because the songs are a bit shorter. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Thomas' Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 5:24 pm Subject: Re: Interview questions and Dream Trinity. >From: 'Ambassador Nelaskon' >After all this time, you still haven't learned that TD will never tell us the real origin of the name. Pity. It IS from Lucy In The Sky... but Edgar denies it...< Here's a thought - maybe he will! Besides I'm not so sure the origin of the bands' name might not be 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds'. I listened to The Ones 'Lady Greengrass' earlier today, check out the lyrics below, and I guess that's a pretty strong contender to where the name came from. Don't you think? (Of course, it's just a thought...) Thomas LADY GREENGRASS She lifts her dress and floats to DREAMland makes love to the sky She lets her hair hang down as the weeds go round lady greengrass Puff the grass is TANGERINE Puff the sky is suddenly green her eyes breath in a state of mind she's beginning to fly she's beginning to fly licking lollypops catching moondrops bright and beautiful big fat love-ins groovy free-ins for lady greengrass puff the trees turn tangerine puff the sky is suddenly green her eyes breath in a state of mind she's beginning to fly she's beginning to fly she's beginning to fly to fly... to fly.... to fly.............. (I don't know how correct the transcription is, I found this on the Internet somewhere) From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 5:29 pm Subject: Re: Juke Box Hero > >I've had the best response from non-TDers with Tyger... I think the mix of > > AUGH!!! I AM a TDer and I can't stand this album. I think it's the ONLY > one of theirs that I would never wish on anyone else. > > Besides, if you want to introduce people to TD, the vocal crap on Tyger is > not the way to do it. > > No offense, Tyger listeners. j.gordon here... What is it with the TD community and Tyger? William Blake is a great and TD did a great job IMO of putting it to music... besides, Alchemy of the Heart is a triumphant epic piece... All right, I know there are those who AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!! Tyger... but are there those who can stand tall, stand true and say YES! I liked this album... come on, let's see a Show of Fans... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Plumer, Scott' Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 5:36 pm Subject: Re: Open question. >One thing that we should keep in mind here...it's a jukebox! People don't >want to hear 20-minute songs by a band they don't know on a jukebox. >You'll have them pulling the plug if you put Poland in there. I suggested >Dream Mixes because it's vigourous, but also because the songs are a bit >shorter. I had Ricochet in mind. Torture the infidels!!! :-) Actually, I think DM would be smashing. Scott From: 'Plumer, Scott' Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 5:39 pm Subject: Re: Juke Box Hero >What is it with the TD community and Tyger? William Blake is a great and TD >did a great job IMO of putting it to music... besides, Alchemy of the Heart is >a triumphant epic piece... The problem I always had with Tyger is that the cadence of the poem doesn't seem to match the cadence of the music. I like the music, but the poems seem out of place over it. I think they should have either matched the poem to the music (esentially making them lyrics, like Rush did with Poe's 'El Dorado') or made the music totally without cadence, like Zeit. Scott From: 'Thomas' Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 5:35 pm Subject: Re: Juke Box Hero >j.gordon here... > >What is it with the TD community and Tyger? William Blake is a great and TD >did a great job IMO of putting it to music... besides, Alchemy of the Heart is >a triumphant epic piece... > >All right, I know there are those who AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!! Tyger... but >are there those who can stand tall, stand true and say YES! I liked this >album... come on, let's see a Show of Fans... > >j.gordon Yepp - I like the 'Tyger' album. But not because of the William Blake inspirations. I just like the music in combination with the singing. That's all! Thomas From: Bennett Cookson Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 5:43 pm Subject: Re: Juke Box Hero Tyger is one of my favorites, but I don't really like any of the parts with words/vocals. However the rest is soooooo excellent I simply still skip the other. Alchemy of the Heart is incredible, the 'Common' songs are great and the last instrumental part of London is my absolute favorite. (Dream roots has a track with just this part) Having said that, Tyger is an album that needs to grow on you, it takes time. I had the album for years before I even liked my now favorite tracks. Therefore I would not choose it for a juke box. (Plus the songs are to long) I would probably choose 'private music of TD' or Lily --Bennett From: 'anthony simeone' Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 6:53 pm Subject: Carl & Jacqui Kearney ... select one cd hey carl & J K i am here at work on a thursday afternoon. i pop on a tadream cd titled 'lily on the beach'. i am having a great time listening to it. problem with this is that it wasnt on the list of suggestions i emailed you the other day. i was never all too impressed with this cd, and now i think it is an excellent album, one to add to your list of possibilities. Also, 3 other good ones: optical race, tyranny of beauty, and turn of the tides. good luck with picking one. for me, it would be impossible to narrow tadream to one cd. good luck! ajs _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15919 Re: Carl & Jacqui Kearney ... select one cd Mike Jr. J Schramer Wed 4/21/1999 1 KB From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 6:58 pm Subject: Reply to Joe and others re bar Thanks for reminding me that I hadent told any one the type of bar sorry Joe. The bar is used by a mixed bunch of people from say 20 years up to -well death realy it all depends on what particular band is playing . the bigest crowd puller is a band called Rigsbys Cat who unfortunatly only cover mainly rock tracks and dont play keyboards but they pull quits a diverse crowd. Rigsbys cat get the chance go see them awsome guitarist. From: 'anthony simeone' Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 7:03 pm Subject: Joe Shoults questions for interview hey joe, at the risk of throwing you an empty question. the biggest thought on my mind is concert .. as in, will tadream ever come back to the U.S., and will they come to Pittsburgh, Pa (my home town). if they did, i could rally at least 10 people that i know to go to the concert with me. I NEVER saw tadream in concert, and would love to know if and when they are comming back to the states, and where. so far, last year i saw allan parsons project, yes, gary numan, and a few jazz artists live in concert. music is so much better live, at a concert. if tadream is so great to listen to on cd, imagine what its like to see them live. its an experience that i would love to look forward to. also, do they meet with fans after their concerts, and do they sign autographs. ajs _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15979 Re: Joe Shoults questions for interview Brian M. Frick Thu 4/22/1999 1 KB 15981 Re: Joe Shoults questions for interview Thomas Thu 4/22/1999 1 KB From: Jeff Stevenson What is it with the TD community and Tyger? William Blake is a great and TD >did a great job IMO of putting it to music... besides, Alchemy of the Heart is >a triumphant epic piece... I like all the music...it was the singer (talker) I didn't care for....the problem is, whenever I hear the music now, I imagine I hear her droning on......kinda spoiled the effect for me. My cousin LOVES _Tyger_ however. np: Dream Mixes 1 disc 2 From: KMu9978842@xxx.xxx Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 7:34 pm Subject: Re: Juke Box Hero In einer eMail vom 15/04/99 19:47:16 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt Bennett.Cookson@O...: << Tyger is one of my favorites, but I don't really like any of the parts with words/vocals. However the rest is soooooo excellent I simply still skip the other. Alchemy of the Heart is incredible, the 'Common' songs are great and the last instrumental part of London is my absolute favorite. (Dream roots has a track with just this part) Come on now, if your 'favourite' is an album with 'words and vocals', in which you dont like the words and vocals................Does that mean that on all the other TD albums the music is so 'average' that they dont even come up to the standard of this album you dont really like because of the 'words and vocals '? Having said that, Tyger is an album that needs to grow on you, it takes time. I dont like the words and vocals, and after all these years it never 'grew' on me; I have other albums I much prefer. I had the album for years before I even liked my now favorite tracks. Therefore I would not choose it for a juke box. (Plus the songs are to long) PLUS they contain words and vocals !!! ( which we dont really like !) I would probably choose 'private music of TD' or Lily OK, your choice, better than Tyger at least Kelvin --Bennett >> From: KMu9978842@xxx.xxx Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 7:46 pm Subject: Re: Juke Box Hero In einer eMail vom 15/04/99 19:27:46 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt ssaalyersjj@y...: << From: 'j.gordon' > >I've had the best response from non-TDers with Tyger... I think the mix of > > AUGH!!! I AM a TDer and I can't stand this album. I think it's the ONLY > one of theirs that I would never wish on anyone else. > > Besides, if you want to introduce people to TD, the vocal crap on Tyger is > not the way to do it. > > No offense, Tyger listeners. j.gordon here... What is it with the TD community and Tyger? William Blake is a great and TD did a great job IMO of putting it to music... besides, Alchemy of the Heart is a triumphant epic piece... All right, I know there are those who AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!! Tyger... but are there those who can stand tall, stand true and say YES! I liked this album... com >> NOT ME..............the album is ruined by the vocals. Only my opinion of course............does that make me not a 'real fan ' ? Kelvin From: 'Joe Shoults' All right, I know there are those who AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!! > Tyger... but > are there those who can stand tall, stand true and say YES! I liked this > album... come on, let's see a Show of Fans... > j.gordon I didn't like Tyger the first time I heard it. Then I didn't hear it again for a couple of years until my wife got me the Book of Dreams compilation which has 1/2 of Tyger on it, and now I love it. -joe From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: TJames0001@a... >To: tadream@o... >Subject: [tadream] Re: jukebox >Date: Wed, Apr 14, 1999, 8:48 PM > >From: TJames0001@a... > >Hi all---new member here...TD fan since 67...suggest you might try Edgar's >solo CD 'Beyond the Storm.' Several of Edgar's songs remind me of about >everything TD has ever done. Very good copulation. > >Tom > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Did you know that ONElist hosts some of the largest lists on the Internet? >http://www.ONElist.com >Our scaleable system is the most reliable free e-mail service on the Internet! >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option >(instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), >and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the >tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com >Thank you. > From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: Sean Montgomery >To: tadream@o... >Subject: [tadream] Re: jukebox >Date: Wed, Apr 14, 1999, 8:49 PM > >From: Sean Montgomery > > > >> Hi all---new member here...TD fan since 67...suggest you might try Edgar's >> solo CD 'Beyond the Storm.' ....Very good copulation. > > >Well, I suppose you could say that. Many people have sung the praises of >TD as an ideal soundtrack for sex. ;-) > > >SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Looking for the perfect gift for a friend? >http://www.ONElist.com >Tell them about ONElist's 115,000 free e-mail communities! >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option >(instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), >and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the >tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com >Thank you. > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Joe Shoults' > >Thanks for the responses so far for interview questions; please keep them >coming! >-Joe > OK Joe, I got one. Can you name at least some of the movies that 'The Hollywood Years Vol. 1 & 2' take tracks from? From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'j.gordon' >To: tadream@o... >Subject: [tadream] Re: Juke Box Hero >Date: Thu, Apr 15, 1999, 1:29 PM > > >j.gordon here... > >What is it with the TD community and Tyger? William Blake is a great and TD >did a great job IMO of putting it to music... besides, Alchemy of the Heart is >a triumphant epic piece... > >All right, I know there are those who AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!! Tyger... but >are there those who can stand tall, stand true and say YES! I liked this >album... come on, let's see a Show of Fans... > >j.gordon > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Dan J. Schulte' >To: tadream@o... >Subject: [tadream] TD soundtrack list? >Date: Thu, Apr 15, 1999, 1:39 AM > >From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > >Can anyone here forward me a list of every TD soundtrack completed to >date? If you can cut & paste a list you may have laying around I'd >appreciate it. Thanks, > >Dan From: TJames0001@xxx.xxx Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 11:07 pm Subject: Re: Running list for jukebox. By the way 'Valentine Wheels' and ' Atlantic Bridges' ain't too bad either!!! For jukebox or the bedroom. Tom (Tangram) \ From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > From: 'Steven Le Vine' > > Speaking of soundtracks, I am not 100% positive, but I am under the > impression that TD did the soundtrack for the movie 'Scarface'. I have seen > no mention of this fact anywhere. Can anyone confirm? Is there a > soundtrack for 'Scarface'? Negatory...that was Giorgio Moroder & that's one fantastic score. Too bad it's not available in it's entirety. You can buy the CD but it only has 2 tracks on it...& they are remixed. Dan -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Ok guys thanks a million for the response its been overwhelming > > We have narrowed it down to 4 albums > 1) Dream mixes > 2) tournado > 3) rockoon > 4) 220v live > > ANY MORE THOUGHTS. > > Another question totally unrelated. Is being a dedicated fan of TD a male > only thing ? There seems to be a great lack of female participation on this > list and as a fan base generally. Uh, heh, here we go again. Dan -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: TJames0001@xxx.xxx Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 11:38 pm Subject: Re: Running list for jukebox. Hi Dan: OK --here goes---I am 55---been aTD fan for along time---since 67. Since that time I have only come across 2 maybe 3 females that like TD. The first two are my 30 year sister and my 7 year old grandaughter. The 3rd one was older than me and she worked in a local bank. How about that for discrimination. How about a head count ladies?? Tom (Tangram) From: 'Ambassador Nelaskon' From: 'tom george' Date: Fri Apr 16, 1999 2:57 am Subject: Re: Greetings > >Anybody Listen to 'Tangerine Ambience II'? I've re-listened to the first >one & am not as impressed as I originally was. So I am holding off on 'II'. > > >siberkat > >- >go ahead and buy II. it is alot better than 1 (and i like 1). tom _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15769 Re: Greetings Steven Le Vine Sat 4/17/1999 1 KB 15772 Re: Greetings James Horecka, AIA Sat 4/17/1999 1 KB 15784 Re: Greetings j.gordon Sat 4/17/1999 1 KB 15786 Re: Greetings Steven Le Vine Sat 4/17/1999 2 KB 15855 Re: Greetings j.gordon Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB 15886 Re: Greetings Steven Le Vine Wed 4/21/1999 3 KB 17671 Greetings Synthhtnys@a... Sat 9/11/1999 1 KB 17672 Re: Greetings Nick adams Sat 9/11/1999 1 KB 17678 Re: Greetings joe shoults Sun 9/12/1999 3 KB From: 'Ambassador Nelaskon' Date: Fri Apr 16, 1999 3:02 am Subject: Goblins' Club Somebody mentioned having trouble really getting into Goblins' Club. Well, I have a fake ID, so they let me in... Sorry. That wasn't funny. Anyway, I think tracks 1, 6, and 7 are the best, and I usually skip the rest. IMO those three ARE really good tho... The Tournado version of Radar Eyes rocks out too. Have you heard it? --- My friend has my 220 Volt. Damn. Just had to complain :) -Nelaskon ECA --- 'Never stop Dreaming. When you forget how to Dream, you forget how to live.' -maX Verran [Aurealis] Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15915 Re: Goblins' Club Mike Jr. J Schramer Wed 4/21/1999 1 KB From: archangel333@w... (Xavier Garcia) Date: Fri Apr 16, 1999 4:34 am Subject: Re: best TD album for juke box dear jeff: the one album that comes to mind is 'underwater sunlight'. i donot know if it has been re-issued, but the dynamics of the compositions are clasic TD. Another would be ' lily on the beach' which seems to have a'commercial appealthat everyone(including non-TD fans) would enjoy. sinceely, The AftErMatH MachInE xavier777 From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Apr 16, 1999 5:29 am Subject: Re: Juke Box Hero > All right, I know there are those who AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!! Tyger... but > are there those who can stand tall, stand true and say YES! I liked this > album... com >> > > > NOT ME..............the album is ruined by the vocals. > > Only my opinion of course............does that make me not a 'real fan ' ? > Kelvin j.gordon here... I don't know, Kelvin... maybe you are an imaginary fan 'dreamed' up by the members of the list... :) j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Apr 16, 1999 5:36 am Subject: Re: Running list for jukebox. > > We have narrowed it down to 4 albums > 1) Dream mixes > 2) tournado > 3) rockoon > 4) 220v live > j.gordon here... WHAT??? NO TYGER?? WHERE'S TYGER?? Carl, you forgot TYGER!! It must be a typo... I'm sure you meant the list to look like this: 1) Tyger 2) Dream mixes 3) tournado 4) rockoon 5) 220v live =:^1> j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Apr 16, 1999 5:40 am Subject: Re: Running list for jukebox. > Another question totally unrelated. Is being a dedicated fan of TD a male > only thing ? There seems to be a great lack of female participation on this > list and as a fan base generally. j.gordon here... My wife is a professional singer and I meet lots of women from all over the world... one thing that really seems to stand out is the attraction to acoustical music... orchestras, included... eletronic music (guitars, keyboards, etc) of many sorts just doesn't appeal... this is a generalization and there are those women who don't fall into the category... but by and large, when I talk of going to concerts, the females all respond to acoustic... just a thought... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Apr 16, 1999 5:45 am Subject: Re: TD soundtrack list? > Speaking of soundtracks, I am not 100% positive, but I am under the > impression that TD did the soundtrack for the movie 'Scarface'. I have seen > no mention of this fact anywhere. Can anyone confirm? Is there a > soundtrack for 'Scarface'? j.gordon here... when I was in college, there was this drinking game... you put in 'Scarface' (I assume we're talking about Al's version) and with a six pack (or bottle of tequila) handy, you watch the film... every time anyone says 'fuck', you take a drink... the first forty-five minutes are slow, and you may even get thirsty... but after an hour and a half, you'll be working on your second six pack... :) Anyway, needless to say, I watched that film many, many times (it's a classic... if you haven't seen it, make it a must) and remember the music well... it ain't TD... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Shadow' Date: Fri Apr 16, 1999 1:08 pm Subject: Fw: [tadream] To Joe re questions for Td > There is only one question on my mind > The obvious one > WHY NO UK TOUR > > I agree Totally but where would be a good venue? I would say manchester:- Apollo? Obviously 'cos that would be good for me. Any Ideas? ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenne, Severed Dreams... Shadow Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15735 Re: Fw: [tadream] To Joe re questions for Td yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx Fri 4/16/1999 1 KB From: yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Fri Apr 16, 1999 2:17 pm Subject: Re: Fw: [tadream] To Joe re questions for Td ---------- > De : Shadow > A : tadream@o... > Objet : [tadream] Fw: [tadream] To Joe re questions for Td > Date : vendredi 16 avril 1999 14:08 > > From: 'Shadow' > > > There is only one question on my mind > > The obvious one > > WHY NO UK TOUR > > > > Greetings Another similar question : Why TD never come in France (last time in 1986 at Olypia Paris - great gig) ? Yannick Edom Mirage Conceptions Visuelles Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'Leon Roszkowski' To: Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 11:38 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Running list for jukebox. > From: TJames0001@a... > OK --here goes---I am 55---been aTD fan for along time---since 67. Since > that time I have only come across 2 maybe 3 females that like TD. The first > two are my 30 year sister and my 7 year old grandaughter. The 3rd one was > older than me and she worked in a local bank. How about that for > discrimination. How about a head count > ladies?? > Tom (Tangram) From: 'Plumer, Scott' Speaking of soundtracks, I am not 100% positive, but I am under the impression that TD did the soundtrack for the movie 'Scarface'. I have seen no mention of this fact anywhere. Can anyone confirm? Is there a soundtrack for 'Scarface'? ---------- >From: 'Dan J. Schulte' >To: tadream@o... >Subject: [tadream] TD soundtrack list? >Date: Thu, Apr 15, 1999, 1:39 AM > >From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > >Can anyone here forward me a list of every TD soundtrack completed to >date? If you can cut & paste a list you may have laying around I'd >appreciate it. Thanks, > >Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? http://www.ONElist.com Sign up for a new e-mail list today! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com Thank you. From: 'Plumer, Scott' From: 'Plumer, Scott' OK --here goes---I am 55---been aTD fan for along time---since 67. Since I'm curious: How'd you hear about them in '67? Scott From: 'Joe Shoults' From: Antonio Nunes >Here's a thought - maybe he will! Besides I'm not so sure the origin of the bands' >name might not be 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds'. I listened to The Ones 'Lady >Greengrass' earlier today, check out the lyrics below, and I guess that's a pretty >strong contender to where the name came from. Don't you think? (Of course, it's >just a thought...) > > [LADY GREENGRASS lyrics snipped] > > (I don't know how correct the transcription is, I found this on the Internet somewhere) Perhaps you found that on the 'other' list? Actually this topic was massively discussed there, and as far as I remember, 4 theories were proposed : A) The name came from the designation of a drug. Apparently there was a drug in the 60's known as 'Tangerine Dream'. B) The name came from the 'Lady Greengrass' lyrics, as you pointed out. C) The name came from an album from the band Kaleidoscope. This band released in 1967 an album called 'Tangerine Dream'. D) The name came from the lyrics of 'Lucy in the Sky...'. IMHO, the most likely is A) and so my question for the interview would be: Do you confirm or deny that the name of the band came from the designation of a drug? BTW, this procedure would not be unique. When I was a student in the early 70's, my school had a band called LSD (no, I was not a member). Antonio From: 'Plumer, Scott' De : Shadow > A : tadream@o... > Objet : [tadream] Fw: [tadream] To Joe re questions for Td > Date : vendredi 16 avril 1999 14:08 > > From: 'Shadow' > > > There is only one question on my mind > > The obvious one > > WHY NO UK TOUR > > > > Greetings Another similar question : Why TD never come in France (last time in 1986 at Olypia Paris - great gig) ? Yannick Edom Mirage Conceptions Visuelles Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You can now easily share photos and documents with your fellow list members http://www.ONElist.com Check out our homepage for details on how to use our new shared files feature! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com Thank you. From: 'Joe Shoults' From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > Copied from my book, here is a list of all the known soundtracks TD has > done. Those with a '*' have a soundtrack album available. > > > Geradeaus bis zum Morgen: 1972 > Ein für Allemal: 1973 > Kassensturz (Tatort episode): 1976 > Sorceror*: 1977 > Future War 198X (unauthorized): 1978 > Cosmos (TV)*: 1980 > Thief*: 1981 > Das Mädchen auf der Treppe (Tatort episdode)*: 1982 > Identification of a Woman: 1982 > The Soldier: 1982 > Wavelength*: 1983 > Miriam* (Tatort episode): 1983 > Risky Business*: 1983 > The Keep*: 1983 > Heisser Schnee (Tatort episode): 1984 > Streethawk (TV): 1984 > Heartbreakers*: 1984 > Firestarter*: 1984 > Flashpoint*: 1984 > Visionquest* (ST has no TD): 1985 > Red Heat: 1985 > Forbidden: 1985 > Kneuss: 1986 > Zoning*: 1986 > The Park is Mine*: 1986 > Legend*: 1986 > Red Nights: 1987 > Tonight's the Night: 1987 > City of Shadows: 1987 > Deadly Care*: 1987 > Near Dark*: 1987 > Three O'Clock High*: 1987 > Dead Solid Perfect*: 1988 > Miracle Mile*: 1989 > Destination Berlin*: 1989 > The Man Inside*: 1991 > The Park is Mine*: 1992 > Highway to Hell: 1992 > Catch Me If You Can: 1993 > Luminous Visions: 1998 > > Scott > From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@c...] > Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 10:27 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Re: TD Soundtracks > > > From: 'Joe Shoults' > > They also did or were included in the following: > > Memphis PD: War on the Streets (1996) (TV) > Switch, The (1993) (TV) > Rainbow Drive (1990) (TV) > Canyon Dreams (1987) > Shy People (1987) > Dead Kids (1981 USA) > ... aka Small Town Massacre (1981 New Zealand) > ... aka Strange Behavior (1981 New Zealand > Game Over (1978 Canada) > The Soldier (USA) aka Codename: The Soldier (Finland, France, Norway) > > Soundtrack availability unknown. > > other useful info: > > Forbidden (USA) was aka Versteckt (Germany) > Thief (USA) was aka Violent Streets (EUR) > Vision Quest (USA) was aka Crazy for You (EUR) > Tonight's the Night (1987 USA) was aka The Game of Love (1994 Spain) > Sorceror (USA) was aka Wages of Fear (EUR) > > This should be a pretty complete list. > -joe > > > > > From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > > Copied from my book, here is a list of all the known soundtracks TD has > > done. Those with a '*' have a soundtrack album available. > > > > > > Geradeaus bis zum Morgen: 1972 > > Ein für Allemal: 1973 > > Kassensturz (Tatort episode): 1976 > > Sorceror*: 1977 > > Future War 198X (unauthorized): 1978 > > Cosmos (TV)*: 1980 > > Thief*: 1981 > > Das Mädchen auf der Treppe (Tatort episdode)*: 1982 > > Identification of a Woman: 1982 > > The Soldier: 1982 > > Wavelength*: 1983 > > Miriam* (Tatort episode): 1983 > > Risky Business*: 1983 > > The Keep*: 1983 > > Heisser Schnee (Tatort episode): 1984 > > Streethawk (TV): 1984 > > Heartbreakers*: 1984 > > Firestarter*: 1984 > > Flashpoint*: 1984 > > Visionquest* (ST has no TD): 1985 > > Red Heat: 1985 > > Forbidden: 1985 > > Kneuss: 1986 > > Zoning*: 1986 > > The Park is Mine*: 1986 > > Legend*: 1986 > > Red Nights: 1987 > > Tonight's the Night: 1987 > > City of Shadows: 1987 > > Deadly Care*: 1987 > > Near Dark*: 1987 > > Three O'Clock High*: 1987 > > Dead Solid Perfect*: 1988 > > Miracle Mile*: 1989 > > Destination Berlin*: 1989 > > The Man Inside*: 1991 > > The Park is Mine*: 1992 > > Highway to Hell: 1992 > > Catch Me If You Can: 1993 > > Luminous Visions: 1998 > > > > Scott > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription > to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and > select the Member Center link from the menu bar on the left. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML > option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com Thank you. From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > Yes there is. It's by Ennio Morricone. Folks, Scarface was done by Giorgio Moroder. Dan -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: 'Thomas' From: 'Shadow' > >> There is only one question on my mind >> The obvious one >> WHY NO UK TOUR >> >I agree Totally but where would be a good venue? >I would say manchester:- Apollo? >Obviously 'cos that would be good for me. >Any Ideas? I would say Scandinavia! They've NEVER been here, and I'm waiting for them to come to Copenhagen at least, the culture centre of the North! Thomas Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15747 Re: to Joe Re Questions for TD Joe Shoults Fri 4/16/1999 1 KB 15748 Re: to Joe Re Questions for TD Sean Montgomery Fri 4/16/1999 1 KB 15764 Re: to Joe Re Questions for TD Steven Le Vine Sat 4/17/1999 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- From: Sean Montgomery OK. got it. one big question for why no tour dates in (insert your backyard > here) I can forecast the answer: money. Tours are expensive, particularly in the case of a band like TD. They have to take all that equipment with them, not to mention the light show. Now that they don't have a record label to finance them, tours are bound to be scarce, particularly in small markets, where they can't fill large halls. The band has a pretty low profile now too...they'd have to do a lot of promotion, and that can cost a lot too. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Antonio Nunes > A) The name came from the designation of a drug. Apparently there was a > drug in the 60's known as 'Tangerine Dream'. > > B) The name came from the 'Lady Greengrass' lyrics, as you pointed out. > > C) The name came from an album from the band Kaleidoscope. This band > released in 1967 an album called 'Tangerine Dream'. > > D) The name came from the lyrics of 'Lucy in the Sky...'. I forgot to mention a 5th theory. Well, not exactly a theory but another explanation by Edgar Froese himself. He said in some interview that the name of the band was an acronym, but he was not going to reveal its meaning. Now fellows, please don't start the acronym thread on this list :-) Antonio From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'